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30:25 Yeah, no, I appreciate that extra context. One thing, I know you're certainly not the only company for whom this is true, But why have specifically for Walbridge, cash costs increased so much? Well, you know, there are a couple of things. 1, the mining method is, you know, last time it was underground bulk mineable, similar to a Young Davidson. This one is more traditional long haul and you know, some of them were treat money. So it's a little bit different, but we must appreciate that between 2022 and today is 2 and a half years in a pretty highly inflationary environment. So if you take what was done last year, you know, add 15% for inflation, it kind of ticks to where we are today. So I am not concerned about that.
31:17 And the model today is, the team has done a great job with the help of Pierre and Mike. We've really dotted the I's and crossed the T's in our review process. Great, I appreciate that. Now, one thing is I certainly noticed, I think a lot of people did, a pretty big increase in the volume traded before this news came out. Curious if you have any commentary or notes on that. The only thing I will say about that is There was not a leak. I can guarantee that. There's nothing to do with that. But the chatter was, oh, Walbridge isn't going to meet their deadline, whatever. And, you know, when I was interviewed at PDAC, I reiterated, absolutely, we're going to publish by the end of the month. And I think, you know, by the time it got to some of, you know, our shareholders, they finally took notice of it, we're going to hit it. There weren't, you know, being the naysayers.
32:17 And we hit it. Sure, no, that makes sense. I'm curious, and I see this a bit reflected in some of the chatter too, what is the timing on permitting from here? Well, the way I think this project could go forward is we have a plan for this year, we have our money and so you know starting at December 31st of this year. I think it's A22 and 2. 2 years to do all the work necessary to complete a pre-fees, start the permitting, start the IBA negotiations, all that stuff and you know get that going. 2 years to complete a feasibility which include you know concluding the IBAs, getting the permits in place, getting the electricity signed up for and then based on the study a two-year build program.
33:06 So in very, very rough early stage numbers, we need to take some time this fall to go back to the component parts just to make sure that this holds, but based on the recommendations provided by the QPs involved, that seems to be the way we would go forward. I appreciate that. And I think you touched on it, but I'm curious, what's up next? You starting a pre-fees or feasibility study right away? What are the next steps here? Well, the next steps is we need to figure out what exactly we need to do to get us to a pre-fees. And that will be scoped out further between now and Thanksgiving. And we need to find the resources to pay for this.
33:57 But it's a very exciting project and you know our goal is to get out, market, tell the world, help educate the world on how great an opportunity this is. In the meantime, figure out exactly what we need to do to get us to a pre-feas and then execute. Great. I know you mentioned it early in the presentation, but this is something I think just bears repeating so we can have it a couple of times in here. I'd love if you could just explain again the rationale on taking the approach to design a smaller mine. It's from a risk standpoint. You know, we're a small company. We have a small balance sheet. We had to put this together on the basis that if we continue to de-risk it, we may have to build it on our own.
34:45 And ultimately, that's what we're planning to do. If somebody comes in halfway through, taps us on the shoulder and says, I've got an opportunity, we think we can do a better job, here's prime plus whatever percent. We would have to consider it at that point. It's not our company. We're the custodians of the shareholders company. Sure. So, you know, there's that, but the whole scenario is based on managing risk, managing the permitting process, you know, Smaller, less surface disturbance is in everybody's best interest. It helps us with closure. It helps us with our First Nations partners. So just taking a top-down risk approach to putting this together.
35:32 And when do you anticipate there might be an expansion? Well, I don't know. It all depends where gold prices are. You know, what I'll tell you is that if everything goes according to plan is built, we hit payback and gold is at $2,200 an ounce, you may be very happy that you have a 3,000 ton a day plant. If gold prices are still where they are, you would consider expanding it at that point in time, but it all depends where commodity prices are. I've been in this business for a very long period of time. I say this all the time, but I remember when gold was $250 an ounce in the late 90s. And, you know, I don't think we'll ever see that again. But it is a volatile commodity. And that also plays in the risk portfolio to start off smaller and grow it at the right time for the right reasons.
36:25 I appreciate that. I got a strategic question for you. I know we didn't see a rollback with this big announcement. Can investors expect 1 in the near future? No. Great. That was an easy answer. I'll throw it to you, Mark, actually for the next one. I got one here for you. Could you just generally speak to the changes in the mineral resources at Fenelon Martinier, just so people can get a sense of where your brain's at. Yeah, no, happy to do that. Just to get into the details to the technical report, especially the end of section 14, we're kind of get, take a deeper dive on that. But, but you know, to keep it at higher level, as I mentioned, more drilling, especially infill drilling, it always increases the resolution that you have on your geology, on your distribution of gold grades, et cetera.
37:21 And it's a real rarity to see a resource grow in size when you're going into an infill phase. You know, the rule of thumb I've picked up over the years. And I've been in the game, frankly, I think as long as Brian, I won't say how long, but long enough to be able to say that as a rule of thumb infill drilling, specifically infill drilling, typically, you know, 50, 60% of your resource might convert to indicated or stay as inferred. That's just the nature of resource estimates and resource classification. So that's part 1. Part 2 is We came into this program a year ago, really recognizing that there was a lot of opportunity to really take a closer look, first principles, closer look at the underlying geology that's driving the distribution of gold grades. And, you know, at the end of the day, miners are mining rock, you know, they're getting gold out of it, but they're mining rock, they're mining volumes of rock.
38:31 And what we've done differently this time was really took a very close look at what are the rock volumes that are carrying the structures that are carrying the gold, which is a little bit kind of looking more at the forest rather than the individual trees. Because again, these gold systems are complex, especially gold systems of this variety. And even at a 40 meter, a nominal 40 meter drill hole spacing, which is what we have in the heart of Fenelon, which is supporting the indicated resources, even at that drill hole spacing, it really is tough to link up narrow high-grade structures between holes that far apart. But what we can do, and we see it in the drill core, and we do see it in the data, but just looking at the drill core, what we can do is we can define the overall package of deformed rock that has the collection of those high-grade structures within it.
39:40 So that's just a fundamentally different approach to the geologic interpretation. The other aspect I think, and there's a few layers to what's driving these new mineral resource estimates, but another aspect that we really brought to bear and to leverage against our data set was, and working with Mauro Bassati, who Brian has known him for a long time. I, you know, I worked with, I hired Brian, or I hired Mauro when Brian and I were together at Newgold. We really brought to bear some kind of high, I would just say, more in-depth, more sophisticated geostatistical approaches to work with the datasets.
40:33 When you define a larger volume, you have more samples informing what's going on in that volume, which is a positive thing. And that opens the door to just different approaches and how you estimate what's going on within those volumes. So kind of to sum it up, we tried to strike the right balance between the size of our data sets and the resolution we have in our drill plan as it stands right now. And just, you know, what can we realistically interpret in the geology? How far can we project things out along strike or down dip and so on and so forth.
41:20 So, so I think, you know, fundamentally it was just, we went back to first principles and brought a lot more geology into this thing and we leveraged geostatistics, I think to a, to, to the next level up. Awesome. Mark. Thanks. I always appreciate a peek into your brain. So that was really helpful. Brian, I'm gonna shoot it back to you. Now the results of the PA are out, no rest for the wicked. I assume that you and the team are gonna be doing a lot of marketing and communications. Any plans you wanna share with the folks in the room? Well, yeah, no, clearly our prime directive is telling the story. Saturday evening, Mark and I are on a plane flying to Zurich for the Denver Gold Show event next week. So we'll start off with that. We're planning one-to-one sessions. We're attending the Quebec Mining Conference in Quebec City in June.
42:12 We're reaching out to all of the banks out there and brokerage firms to hopefully do desk presentations and doing some retail marketing in various parts of Canada and the United States. And then one of the one-to-one conferences actually in London. So trying to hit European markets, Canadian markets and US markets to tell the good news about the new turning point for Fenelon. Awesome. I appreciate it. Now, we have received some queries from investors, Kevin over email for Brad, specifically wondering how much the stock you own, have you been buying, especially when they saw some pressure to the share price? Well, I own about 3 million shares.
43:00 I've bought them over the years. I have no founder stock. Every share I bought, I went into my pocket and pulled up money to pay for it. I've been blacked out for a period of time here for obvious reasons. I will look at what to do from here. Great. Now, zooming out, I know it answers to the best of your ability. There's some crystal ball gazing involved, but you are located in excellent company, the project with some big players. Is Walbridge open to entertaining offers? You know, I can't comment on that, but if somebody taps us on the shoulder and they've got a better plan for us, we will consider it. Sure, I appreciate that.
43:46 Last one before I go to some of the great questions that are in chat, which I'll try to get to as many as possible today. We do have a hard stop just at the hour. But what are the company's streaming and royalty commitments right at that current moment? Well, that's a very, very good question because, you know, the Fenelon project goes back to the 1980s. There are some royalties that have been around for a long period of time. You know in the study you can see we have a 4% royalty, 2% is with with gold royalty, 1% with Franco and 1% Eric has. These all go back to the Belmoral days. So we inherited all of these. But you have a 4% royalty commitment on the property. And I believe what's behind that question is, can you write more royalties to generate cash to advance the project?
44:42 4% is probably the upper limit of a royalty you want on a project like Fenelon. What is the preliminary strip ratio? This is a tiny open pit at the end of the mine life. I think it's somewhere around 3 to 1. It provides 12 to 18 months of additional production. And that's why it's at the end of the mine life. Oh, that's great. And I'm gonna jump into some of the questions from the chat. Now, I know a couple of them were covered specifically while Mark was speaking earlier. So I'll try to go to some of the fresh content. But Bayer from the chat asks, what's the timeline for converting the inferred resources? Specifically to Fenelon, we haven't set a fixed timeline on that. We're really focused on our program in 2025, but I would think that just looking at Fenelon and the volume we're talking about, we could probably get a fast-tracked infill drill program done in the course of 1 year, that would be multiple drills.
45:54 Clearly we'd need to go raise enough money to be able to support that. But right now, in terms of what's right in front of us, a program, and this is just surface drilling, drilling from surface, probably get that done in about a year. But piggyback on the back of that would be the need to get underground for reasons more than just infill drilling, but for reasons to really let the miners and the engineers get up close and personal with the rocks to really start to look at this thing up front rather than in sticks of drill core. Great. Snow from the chat says they may have misheard but thought they heard a reference to an existing stockpile that could be drawn from for mill feed during ramp up. Curious if we can elaborate on that.
46:49 The plan is we will build a stockpile during the construction phases that we can draw upon in the first year. It helps us with a simplified ramp up. We're not turning the key on January 1st of year 1 and expect to feed it with 3000 pounds a day. We will have the surface stockpile that's generated through the development because there is some development in ore that will accumulate and be ready to help us. You know, mining startups have the ebbs and flows. It just gives us flexibility in how we start up. Great. No, I appreciate that extra context. GK from the chat has 2 questions. So I'll talk to them one at a time. Yes. First, what's the amount of potential upside to resource from today at Phenelon?
47:39 Oh, I would say, I'm not gonna put a number to it. But But what I would say is, there's a lot of upside. And actually I can address that question, maybe even a little bit better, a picture is worth a thousand words. If we can put slide 11 back up on the screen, I can speak to that and I think I can get at that. You know what Mark, I can't do that. Cause I've shut it off. That's okay. That's all right. All right. This presentation will be on our website. But if you look at the diagram that's on slide 11 for those that want to go follow up. Again, the Fenelon project started out on a zone that's called the Gabbro zone.
48:28 And that was Cypress Canada. This is going back to the 1990s and early 2000s. It started out on a little zone called the Gabbro zones. A lot of drilling was done on that. The small open pit that exists out there is on the Gabbro zone. And the reason it started there is because that was what was exposed, sticking its head up above the surface. It wasn't until really not very long ago at all, when after Walbridge acquired the project from Balmoral. And they started out, you know, stepping off where, where the last people had left off on the Gabbro zones. But as they stepped back and they started working on, you know, more, more further afield, they tapped into area 51. This was in late 2019 with the 51st hole that they had drilled, hence area 51.
49:22 When you look at the diagram, and I'm looking over here on my other monitor, you can see that really the whole center of gravity of this fenelon deposit is covered by overburden. Not real thick overburden, but enough that you just can't see the geology. So, you know, once upon a time, you know, the perception or the knowledge was off to the side or what is now the side of the Gabbro pits, which when you look at this now, Gabbro is really a satellite to the main event. Fenelon has deep roots. The deepest hole drilled at the project has a very positive hit down plunge of the main contact zone, which is the main high-grade zone of the system, 500 metres below the currently defined resource.
50:17 So, yeah, it's still alive and we're in the Abitibi. All of these gold systems in the Abitibi, for the kind of gold systems that they are, have very deep roots. And when you go look at bigger districts like Malartic or Deetor Lake, we're not there yet, but I can't see why, you know, my grandkids might be looking at a big pit or a big mine, you know, here. They all started out as small, smaller mines, kind of of this scale and look at them today. And, you know, sitting at the chair of the board of, of our company, Tony McCooch, he's the guy who really first brought that to my attention. And if you just think about it, it's, yeah, you know, this is not all she wrote by any means. And I'm an explorer. I love, I love taking things through their, through their paces and getting them across the line to commercial production. I've done that a few times.
51:14 But, But at the end of the day, I'm always looking over the fence. Where is that next discover going to come from? Where are we going to get the new ounces that are going to replace the ones that we've already produced? That's a bit of a long answer to your question, but there is still a lot more exploration upside at both Fenelon and Martinier and along the overall trend. Awesome, I appreciate that extra context, I think that's great. The second part of his question was, really he's asking if it seems the strategies to fund a modest mine at Fenelon, but will the physical plant created set you up to harvest what you find at Martinier as well? I would say possibly, but only time will really tell. We need to get Martinier more fully fleshed out as Brian pointed out, there's about 25% the amount of drilling at Martinier that we have at Fenelon.
52:18 But, but yeah, you know, down the path at the end of the day, it's what makes the most commercial sense. When it comes time, you know, when you have everything in front of you to make a decision. So, you know, we started out last year thinking, thinking we could, we could bring Martinier in. But real quick, we realized, no, there's a lot more than meets the eye to this thing. And we need to just keep moving forward with Fenelon. So we kind of uncoupled them. And Martinière remains an exploration stage project with considerable prospectivity still in front of it as well. Great. There's one comment in the chat. He mentions it's great deposit and a good team. It's a comment on the financials. It says the contingency is perhaps too low at 10% and should be instead 20% for PEA, noting that the camp size, in his opinion, is too low. Curious if you guys have any thoughts on that.
53:12 Well, you know, a PEA is, you know, the overall writing, it's plus or minus 30 to 40%. That's sort of the scoping rules you use. You know, certain components have a 20% contingency, like the mill site, which is where your biggest risk is. And so, you know, like the mining equipment, there's no contingency because, you know, we have quotes on it. So every line I'm in was looked at individually. And it seems reasonable. Great. Appreciate that. As well, this is an interesting question. I don't hear this one often, but Dean from the chat asks, has Walbridge ever explored partnerships or offtake agreements with non-traditional buyers such as sovereign wealth funds or central banks looking to diversify their reserves?
53:59 Well, sovereign wealth funds and central banks, I think is off the table. We're just not big enough. But that's the thing that we have to look at, is how do we take it to the next step? And we have to look at opportunities like that. We have to work closely with the Quebec government. They have incentives for electrifying equipment and stuff like that so we've got a lot of work to do between now and Christmas to advance some of these conceptual ideas. Sure that makes sense. So we're running out of time, so I'm just going to throw a couple of quick ones at you. EBL consultant asked right towards the beginning of the presentation, I want to make sure we got to them. What is the size of the current portal? Pierre, do you know that?
54:45 Yep. So the current portal is 5.5 by 5.5 meters. That's located in the gabbro pit that Mark was referring to. From there, there's a ramp towards Tabasco with the same dimension of 5.5 by 5.5 and for area 51, it's 4 by 4. Now in this 2025 PEA, the other ramp we're going to create is going to be a little smaller, going to be 5 by 5, which is going to be the dimensions of also the access and haulage levels. And when it's in stoke development, those will be 4.5 by 4.5. So smaller equipment again. Awesome. Appreciate it. Now, I know I didn't get to every question today. I think we did pretty good, but I just got one last quick 1. And then all the rest, I'm going to send to the Walbridge team.
55:38 They'll be happy to dance them to the ones we didn't get to. But I'll end with the question, are the Fennel and Gold Zones still open at depth? Absolutely. Perfect. Love ending on a quick yes. Gentlemen, Brian, Pierre, Mike, Mark, thank you so much for the presentation and for running it through today. I know there are tons of people in the room. I appreciate all your time. I saw you were all across the world today. So thank you for joining in on the chat, asking questions. If you have any follow up questions, please do reach out. I'll make sure the Wallbridge team gets them or you can always reach out to them individually. But gentlemen, thank you so much. This was great. Thanks everybody and enjoy your weekend.