K.P. Energy (NSE:KPEL) Q1 2027 Earnings Call

0:00 Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the KP Energy Limited Q1 FY 'twenty seven Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in a listen only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Harsh Patel from Share India. Thank you, and over to you, sir. Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. I would like to congratulate management on a decent set of numbers. On behalf of Shell India Securities, I welcome you all for Q1 FY twenty seven earnings conference call of KP Energy. We are pleased to have with us the management team represented by mister Athan Paruk Patel, full time director, mister Kavana Bilim, our chief financial officer, doctor Alok Das, group CEO, mister Vinod Jain from IR team. We will have the opening remarks from the management followed by q and a session. Thank you, and over to you, Vinod.

1:01 Thank you, Ash. Good afternoon, everyone. Myself, Vinod Jain, head of Investor Relations at KPELERITY. On behalf of management team, I would like to extend a very warm welcome to all of our investors, analysts, stakeholder, and other participants for today's quarter one FY twenty seven earning call and for your continued interest and support. Joining our call today are mister Hassan Patel, full time director, doctor Alok Dag, group CEO, miss Savannah Palin, CFO, and our incoming group CFO, mister Kapil K. We are delight... I would like to give... I've deeply touched upon two important leadership development during this quarter. We are delight... Delighted to welcome professor Sunil Masary as vice chairman.

1:46 He carries four decades of experience across the strategic governance, business transformations, and organization leadership, thereby further extending the depth and capability of our board as we enter the next phase of growth. He has advised organization across power, energy, infra, banking, health care on strategic transformation, leadership development, organizational effectiveness, and governance. We are also pleased to welcome mister Kapil Kirtlandi as our incoming group CFO. His extensive experience in finance, capital market, and strategic growth initiative will be a valuable addition as we continue to scale the business and extend our institutional platform. Please note that company has published its results and already uploaded the investor presentation yesterday. I trust all of you have opportunity to review review the same. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that certain statement made made during this call may be forward looking in nature.

2:44 Such forward looking statements are subject to risk and uncertainty, which may cause actual results to differ from those anticipated. While these statements are based on management current beliefs and assumptions, investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on them by making their investment decisions. With that, I now hand over the call to mister Khan Patel, our full time director for his opening remarks. Thank you and all to mister Afan. Thank you, Hilarjeet. Good afternoon, everyone. On behalf of KP Energy, I would like to thank all our investors, analysts, and stakeholders for joining us today. I would like to begin by putting our performance in the context of the larger opportunity we see in India, renewable energy sector.

3:32 India's energy transition is no longer just about adding renewable capacity. It is increasingly about building the ecosystem required to support that capacity. With the country progressing towards its two zero three zero target, we see significant opportunity across wind, hybrid project, transmission, evacuation infrastructure, and wind. Wind, in particular, has an important role to play in complementing solar and supporting a more balanced renewable generation profile. We believe the next phase of growth will be increasingly execution led, and this is where KP Energy sees a strong competitive advantage.

4:20 At KPELergy, we have built capabilities across the project life cycle from development and balance of plant execution to evacuation infrastructure, commissioning, and. Our current order book of 2.16 gigawatt, valued at over 2,250 crores, provides us with strong revenue visibility. For us, the opportunity is not simple about securing orders. It is about converting those orders into commissioned asset efficiently and on time. Our recent commissioning experience, including the 50.4 megawatt Waki wind project in Kutch in July 2026, is another demonstration of our execution capabilities.

5:10 Coming to quarter one financial year twenty seven, we delivered consolidated total income of approximately rupees 520 crores, reflecting strong year on year growth. We have seen some moderation in margins compared with certain earlier quarters. This is something we are conscious about, but we believe it is important to look at this in context of the scale and stage of execution, project mix, the operating environment. Our priority is to execute project well, control cost, improve predictability, and deliver sustainable return over the project cycle. We remain confident that as execution efficiency improves and the project mix evolves, the scope for growth is tremendous.

6:05 There is one area where we remain watchful, the pace of grid and transmission infrastructure development. As renewable capacity grows rapidly, evacuation and transmission infrastructure needs to keep pace. However, we see this more as a timing challenge rather than a structural concern. What give us comfort is our strong order book. We have adequate execution visibility while the broader grid infrastructure continues to stabilize and expand. This allow us to sequence our project appropriately and remain productive without being overly dependent on the commissioning timeline of any single project. In fact, we believe a strong order book at this stage of the industry cycle is a strategic advantage.

6:56 Our confidence in the future comes from three things, industry growth, order book visibility, and execution capability. We also see meaningful long term potential in our upcoming IPP of 200 plus megawatt and o and m businesses, which can progressively add a recurring and annuity like revenue streams to the business. As the renewable ecosystem evolves, we believe companies with strong execution capabilities, project management experience, and the ability to operate across the value chain will be best positioned to benefit. Our focus for financial year twenty seven financial year twenty seven remains clear. Execute the existing order book and quality opportunity, improve execution efficiency, and progressively strengthen our recurring businesses.

7:50 To conclude, while we remain watchful about near term challenges, our conviction in the long term opportunities remains strong. Our confidence is not based only on the growth of the renewable sector. It is based on the order book we have built, the project we are executing, and execution capabilities we have developed over the years. We remain committed to creating sustainable value for our stakeholder and to playing a meaningful role in India's renewable energy journey. Thank you. Over to you. Yeah. You know? Thank you, mister. I will now request mister to talk about the financial and other performance. Thank you, Vinodri.

8:36 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of the board of directors and the entire KP family, I extend a very warm welcome to our q one FY twenty seven earnings conference call. Ayesha Dhanathalim, CFO at KP Energy Limited, Thank you for joining us today and for your continued confidence and support. I will quickly take you through our q one FY twenty seven financial performance, the factors that impacted profitability during the quarter, and importantly, why we remain confident about the underlying growth and long term potential of the company. Let me begin by saying that q one FY twenty seven was a quarter of very strong execution and revenue growth, but also one that tested our ability to manage an exceptionally challenging cost and operating environment.

9:23 The renewable energy opportunity in India remains extremely strong. However, during the quarter, the industry faced an unusual combination of geopolitical disruption, supply chain constraints, fuel and logistic pressures, labor availability challenges, and increasing right of way costs. Despite these challenges, KP Energy continued to execute at a significant higher scale, remained profitable, and strengthened the foundation for future growth. I'm pleased to share that our consolidated total income for q one f y twenty seven stood at rupees 520.97 crore compared with that at rupees 220.6 crore in q one f y twenty six, representing a growth of approximately 126% year on year.

10:11 I'm also equally delighted to state that the revenue from operations stood at 519.46 crore compared to 219.54 crore in the corresponding quarter last year with infrastructure development continuing to be the growth engine with revenue of rupees 504.75 crore compared with that of rupees 208.25 crore in the q one of FY twenty six, an increase of approximately 142%. Our o and m business also continued its growth trajectory with revenue of approximately rupees 2.94 crore compared with rupees 1.16 crore last year, while revenue from sale of parts stood approximately at rupees 11.78 crore compared with 10.14 crores in q one f y twenty six.

10:59 So from a business volume and execution perspective, the quarter has been an exceptionally strong one. Some of you might have noted a moderation in the margins of q one f y twenty seven compared with q four f y twenty six, and I would like to address this. Our gross margin in q one f y twenty seven was approximately 20% compared with that at 28% in q four f y twenty six. This is a sequential contraction of approximately eight percentage points, and we believe it is important to explain this. Q four f y twenty six was the highest quarterly revenue reported by the company at rupee 633.93 crore, and q one f y twenty seven delivered 520.97 crore, approximately 82% of that exceptional base.

11:47 Consequently, our absolute gross profit reported in q one f y twenty seven was approximately 102 crore, reflecting approximately 56% of the exceptional deals. The pressure was therefore primarily on project execution economics rather than on the ability to execute the projects. There were three major factors behind this pressure. The first was the West Asia geopolitical situation and resulting disruption and uncertainty around the Strait Of Hormuz. The impact was not restricted to energy prices. Extended across LPG availability, fuel, procurement, transportation, freight, logistics, and manpower availability. India's dependence on LPG imports to Hormuz region made it particularly vulnerable.

12:34 During this period, the imports declined materially while in India also had to source LPG from alternative markets at higher cost spot purchases. For an infrastructure business, the significance of this was much broader than LPG itself. The disruption affected the availability and mobility of migrant labor and created challenges across the logistics ecosystem. Again, for an EPC business, labor availability is as important as material availability. When manpower availability becomes uncertain, planned work fronts can be disrupted, and manpower and equipment may need to be demobilized and subsequently remobilized. In the prevailing environment, such remobilization came at a higher cost due to elevated cost on various accounts like accommodation, manpower cost, etcetera, and also towards constrained availability of specialized resources, which added further pressure.

13:30 Importantly, our execution teams were able to largely make up for the productivity challenges and maintain the project progress. However, the associated cost impact could not be completely avoided. Further, any prolonged execution cycle would have resulted in continued absorption of fixed project and site overhead, making timely execution critical not only for revenue conversion, but also from protecting the project economics and their profitability. The second element was the volatility in fuel procurement and logistics, which had a direct bearing on the equipment utilization. While the overall national fuel stocks remained adequate, temporary measures were introduced by the government to manage abnormal demand and diversion of the bulk and commercial demand towards retail channels.

14:16 For a business like ours, where execution involves large cranes, hydro cranes, excavators, trailers, DG sets, and other ancillary equipment, continuous fuel availability is an essential for productive utilization. Any disruption can result in high value specialized equipment remaining idle while associated hiring manpower supervision and other overhead continue to accrue. Similarly, demobilization and subsequent deployment of equipment can entail additional cost. Thus, the combined effect of labor, fuel, logistic disruption was not merely an increase in individual input cost, but a broader increase in the overall cost of execution and resource utilization. Further, any prolonged execution cycle would have not protected the project economics and profitability.

15:03 The third and significant factor was the increasing cost of right of way for transmission infrastructure. As renewable projects increase in scale and evacuation transformation infrastructure becomes more extensive, ROW, which is the right of way, become an increasingly important component of project economics. Since late q four FY twenty six, we were already seeing higher expectations from landowners and farmers regarding compensation for transmission corridors and tower locations. This subsequently received greater attention following the developments in Gujarat, culminating in the revised compensation framework notified at a later date. The escalation in ROW cost and changing expectations around the compensation were already visible during q one and had already been factored into our cost assessments.

15:51 When we put these factors together, the financial picture becomes clearer. We delivered 520.97 of total income compared with 220.60 crores last year. The exceptional operating environment, however, resulted in pressure on project level margins. Despite this, our profit before tax stood at 37.44 crores compared with 34.75 crores in FY twenty six q one, while profit after tax stood at 26.08 crores compared with rupees 25.42 crores last year's similar quarter. So while the percentage profitability has come under pressure, we have continued to deliver absolute profit growth while scaling the business by more than two times. Depreciation and finance cost stood at 9.18 and 15.43 crores respectively, reflecting the increase in the scale of business.

16:41 I would like to emphasize one important point here. We are witnessing increasing demand for renewable energy and also envisage the same in our project pipeline. Our order book at the end of q one FY twenty seven stands at 2.16 gigawatt, providing a strong revenue visibility. The renewable energy sector continues to benefit from India's long term decarbonization objectives, increasing electricity demand, and government's renewable capacity targets. India added a record 6.05 gigawatt of wind capacity in FY twenty six, taking cumulative installed wind capacity beyond 56 gigawatt. I'm proud of our execution team to have continued to demonstrate their ability to navigate a difficult operating environment while maintaining project progress. Timely completion is critical because it enables revenue conversion, protects against prolonged fixed project overhead, and allows us to redeploy our resources efficiently.

17:35 The ability to maintain execution momentum despite external disruptions remains one of the KPELERG's key strengths. I would like to summarize stating that the scale of the business has changed materially, crossing rupees 500 crore of quarterly revenue, which is equivalent to approximately one third of the entire FY twenty six revenue, demonstrates our ability to ex... Execute substantially larger volumes and multiple projects simultaneously. We also have a strong revenue visibility with order book in hand, and we are also developing additional capacity of about 200 plus megawatt of IPP portfolio, which will add recurring revenues alongside our core EPC business. We remain extremely bullish about the future of our business and the company and conclude that f y twenty seven q one was a quarter of exceptional growth in scale.

18:28 Our focus is very clear to convert scale into quality growth, protect project level profitability, increase recurring revenue, and improve the predictability of our earnings. In short, q one has tested our resilience, but it has not changed our conviction. We remain confident in the long term growth trajectory of KP Energy and in our ability to create sustainable value for our shareholders. On behalf of the entire leadership team, I thank our investors, customers, lenders, vendors, employees, and all our stakeholders for their continued trust and support. Thank you. We will now open the floor for questions. Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on the touch tone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and 2.

19:16 Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question is from the line of from Time and Tide Advisors. Please go ahead. Hello. Good good afternoon, ma'am. I just actually wanted to understand the margins a bit better because we've seen, you know, very sharp reduction on the gross margin front, which, of course, has impacted EBITDA margins, etcetera. I understand that cost pressures were there because of the war and labor issues during Q1.

20:03 But are we seeing the same issues exceeding Q2? Or are we seeing a reversal? And can we expect our margins to revert back to q four, q three levels? Or is this seeming like the new normal for us currently? Thank you, Shekhar, for your question. While we would not consider q one to be an exact representative going forward, but at the same time, we would also not want to make an assumption on immediate normalization of the environment. We have been seeing that the environment has been continued to remain the so... The same, and we are trying to rationalize our planning. We are trying to optimize our execution so that we can contribute to the orders that are already on hand and protect the margins.

20:56 So, for example, our operating margins for q one were around 12%. In all of FY '25, we've been around that 22, 21% mark. But, you know, going forward, could we at least expect to, you know, revert back to, say, a 15, 16%, 18% kind of number, or would we wanna refrain from giving any kind of guidance? As of now, I would also like to draw attention to the fact that margins also depend upon the project stage and different, you know, category of projects that we are execution... Executing. So while there are some projects which have just begun and there there there are some which are on the peak and there are some which are to end. So it's a combination of the stage mix at which the projects are being executed.

21:46 And it will not be right at this very moment to give you a number because there will be several factors which will be affecting this margin. As I said, that we have already started facing the impact of... Since the end of q four, and that is the reason why we have already covered it into our cost at quarter one. Going forward, we... Again, as I said, we'll try to compensate it more and more with our operating efficiency. Understood. And, anyway, q two is a bit of a damn quarter for us because of the monsoons. Right? So, I mean, from a growth point of view and from a margin point of view, do we have any guidance to get for that?

22:33 So while we have always... If you see the past quarters also, monsoons are not something which are new, but then, yes, it indeed is a little damp quarter considering the rains and the season seasonally set. But we have always tried to cover up our revenue, seeing the possibilities of different milestones under each project where we can take the advantage of revenue generation, and we can bank the revenue. And could you quantify the order book? I think last quarter was around 3,000 crores. What would it be? Yes. At 2.16 gigawatt, we currently stand at about 2,250 crores. Got it. Got it. And we had guided for around 40 to 50% growth on the top line in FY twenty seven.

23:24 Are we still holding on that... Onto that guidance? So while we already have a substantial order in hand, we would like to stay at about 30 to 40% as a guiding time line... I mean, guiding amount... I mean, guiding guiding number so as to give you an insight about at the levels at which we would grow. So we are not limiting we are not limiting ourselves in terms of what we have on hand, but then we are giving a number which seems appropriate in the planned way that we have worked out. So 30 to 40% is what we're currently writing on. Right? Yes. And out of our current order book, which you said is 2.16 kilowatt, how much would be from KPEL?

24:15 Just a moment. If you can give me a moment, I have the details happy. I'll just have to So about... In terms of value, about 50% is a related party, and the balance 50% is nonrelated. Okay. Understood. Thank you so much for answering all my questions. I'll come back on the queue. Thank you, Shikha. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Kanish Gupta from SS Family Office. Please go ahead. Yes. Hello. Very good afternoon. I have a question regarding Farbhai. We have not seen in the recent conference call. So could you please clarify whether we should expect him to be involved in the company's conference calls going forward?

25:08 Yes. Hello? Yeah., we have Afan, sir. He will answer your question. Hi,. Hello, sir. Myself, Afan. So on behalf of Farooq, sir, I am available here. And for that only... For that purpose only, I'm always in the all... I think I'm... From last on Concol, I... We are available. From Concol, we are available. Yes. Can you please have finish. No. All all execution related and all business segment about wind, p n n p... P n l related, I'm available to answer. If you have any question, what's...

25:56 We can give you your answer. Also, Panish, to add on to what Afansar has been telling, doctor Patel has already been involved in the entire group's activity. He is present... Very much present. He's focusing more on strategic and future developments, And we, as a professor... Team of professionals, have been handling the entire scope at KPELERGY and as well as in other companies in KP Group. And we will definitely convey your greetings to him. Definitely, ma'am. No worries. And my second question would be on... Given the government's renewable energy targets for 2030, what kind of targets is the company giving itself for FY '30? So could you give us a sense of the revenue ambition that the company is working towards and key milestones you expected to achieve along the way?

26:57 So while we have been very candid in expressing our group targets, we've been talking about 10 gigawatt by 2030 in terms of the entire KP group. That's majority covering KPI Green and KPELERGY. And we are very pleased to inform that we are very close to the 10 gigawatt achievement. And in the near future, we are about to revise our group target, and it will be published soon. So, ma'am, can we expect company specific targets in the same document? Sure. We have already been working on it, and soon enough, you will have the company specific as well as the group targets. Sure, ma'am. We'll wait for the same. Thank you very much, and all the very best for the future.

27:47 Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of from Pinpoint X Capital. Please go ahead. Ma'am, am I audible? Murtaza, you are audible. I just have two questions. Firstly, you've been observing a very strong on ground activity and healthy momentum in the wind energy segment. And, however, we really haven't been announcing the similar pace of order inflows. So could you just explain what exactly is driving or is the difference or the part you're not really understanding? Is it a function of our strategy, or are there some sort of execution constraints or any other factors?

28:36 First question is this. Okay. I'll answer your question. So while we had already banned about 230 plus megawatt of orders in the last quarter, q four of FY twenty six, And we have been going around, but we have been selective in picking up the orders that are being available to us. Yes. Wind has definitely garnered a lot of momentum, but we take our own time to evaluate each and every order because there is plenty to supply, and we are being very picky and choosy in terms of what we pick up in terms of our, you know, cost components, in terms of our execution capabilities, in terms of the place at which we have to execute, in terms of the region. Because a region plays a very important role in terms of cost as well.

29:28 While one region might not be having a lot of ROW cost, there might be specific regions where the cost may be very high in terms of grid availability and in terms of connectivity that we have there. So that is the reason why you are really seeing a slightly slower pace in terms of order intake. But be rest assured that we... Everything that comes in the market is not escaping our eye. We are keeping a vigilant eye, and we are making choices in picking our orders. Understood. And thank you for that. And my second question is on the stand alone for the KPEL Energy Limited stand alone current IPT portfolio. What exactly is the current portfolio size or capacity?

30:17 And how do we see it evolving over the next few years? So currently, we are at 48.5 megawatt of IPP capacity, which is fully operational. Out of this 48.5, 11.5 is solar, and the balance 37 megawatt is pure wind. Going forward, we are looking for an addition on KPELERGY stand alone at about 200 megawatt with the sovereign entities. And we already have entered into PPAs with... For both these 200. I mean, it's 100 each. You know? So for both these going forward PPAs, we have already done with the government. And there are different timelines for commissioning of this project, roughly about twenty four months from April onwards, April 26 onwards.

31:07 Understood. Thank you very much. Just one final... Just reconfirmation. As you had earlier mentioned already you had given a very detailed explanation regarding the margin erosion we have seen in Q1. So I just wanted to kind of reframe and ask a question. Have the margins bottomed out and going forward, we can expect at least a bit better than what we really happen to do in q one? What is our... At present, whatever we have the visibility in terms of the projects on hand, we have already factored that cost into our current working. And we do not envisage any kind of an immediate further fall. But, well, as I said, there are factors beyond our control, which we have to rely on, and we try to make up the best by optimizing our operating efficiencies.

32:06 Understood. Understood. Thank you very much. All the best for the future. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Subhash from Value Investments. Please go ahead. Hello. Am I audible? Yes, Subhash. Hi. So, I mean, I see that the revenue has increased significantly. That is over 100%, 136%. I mean, since you are guiding only from 30% to 40% of growth over FY 'twenty six, I'm thinking it's Q2, Q3 and Q4 will be I mean, we'll not be seeing much growth because in q one itself, you have achieved more than 130% growth. Right? So at least in the top line, I mean, I understand that you explained all the reasons for the lesser margin.

32:55 But at least in the top line, do you expect more than 60% growth for FY twenty seven? While we do look forward to complete the entire order book that we have in hand during this financial year. But as I said, the the the range that we have given about 30 to 40% is in consideration with lot of situations on ground, which may or may not work in our favor. So while our internal targets are definitely to have completed the substantial portion of the orders all that we have on hand, but the scenario that we are giving right now is a bit cautious scenario considering the on ground situation. Okay. So...

33:44 But since you have achieved more than 136% in q one, I think that seems like very less, the 30 to 40%. But, I mean, definitely q three and q four will be your strongest quarter. Right? I understand q two is Yes. We we look forward to it. Our internal And also due to geopolitical tensions, I mean, you might be cautious about the bottom line. Yes. What what about the top line? Do do you still think... I mean, do you still want to stick to 30 to 40% only? And also, could you specify the amount of order book that you have in mind with your... If if you want to complete this year in value terms? So... Sure. Subhash, one small instance I would like to mention here is that as I indicated in my earlier speech as well, that the ROW factor has been something which has been bothering us. There were former protests across the Gujarat region and which eventually, I would say, compelled the government to issue a framework whereby the ROW costing was revised.

34:47 Now in such a situation, if the protests last longer while we still intend to deliver the top line and we still stay committed to achieve, you know, at least, I would say, 40 to 50% growth in terms of whatever we have achieved last year. And we are capable, positioned, and we are in planning to achieve that. But then if these kinds of factors do come up, we really will not be in a position to execute despite of being mobilized there and we wanting to do so. So that is the reason why we are going a bit cautious on the top line. Rest assured that we are well planned to execute a major portion of the order book that we have on hand. Coming to the order book value that you asked, it's about 2,250 crores that we are currently holding as on 06/30/2026.

35:39 Okay. Great. I mean, if you're able to achieve the whole order book in this year, I think that gives us much more than what we have targeted. And, also, my other question was... And what is the mix of CPP versus ITP and KPEL? The reason why I'm asking this question is because I'm a shareholder of KPEL as well, and I attended the investor call today. So in KPI, the IPP share of the revenue out of the total revenue is 18 to 20%. But I think in KPEL last year, it was only about one to 3%. Right? So, I mean, the advantage of having IPP is that even though the even though the margins are down even in KPEL, they were able to sustain the EBITDA margin same as last year because of the IPP because IPP has larger margins. Right? So what are your plans for KP Energy Limited?

36:27 Right? That is my first question for PPT versus IPP. And also, due to this margin compression now, like, do you want to revise the IPP execution speed? What are your plans? If you could comment on that. Sure. So current percentage in terms of the revenue, we still stand at 2% of my total revenue being that from IPP as against 1% in the last quarter. Yes. We are currently a bit low on IPP. Predominantly, our focus was on EPC business. And going forward, as I mentioned to you that we already have two IPP projects lined up. The PPL has been signed in a... One is signed in April and another is signed in June June, July. Yeah. If I'm not wrong, it's in July.

37:18 And we have a twenty four month execution period for this. Of course, we would definitely want to enhance the execution far... At a faster pace, not only to reduce the ITC, but also to have a quicker generation and revenue booking on the same. With both these projects projects being commissioned, we expect approximately the top line to increase by 200 crores in the IPP segment. This is what we expect going forward if both these projects get energized. Okay. But that is after the completion. After two years, you expect 200 crores increase in IPP. Right? So we we we have a... We we we also have... I would like to elaborate a bit here. We also have a possibility of partial commissioning under this PPA, and we would also try to see if we can, you know, start putting to use the asset in partial capacities.

38:17 And that way, we can quicken the... I mean, the the entire two year period won't go dry, but we can start expecting some revenue one year afterwards. Got it. I think by FY twenty seven end, you are targeting 100 megawatts IPP, if I'm wrong. If I'm not wrong. Right? Sorry. I didn't get your question. I mean, right now, you have 40 something megawatts of IPP portfolio. Right? Point five. 48.5. Yeah. So by the time we By any of FY '27? Right. We expect a 100. Yes. You can expect 100. Okay. 100. And then maybe by FY '28 or '29, you will have total around... Because, I mean, the 200 megawatt, whatever you are saying that is x... That is in addition to this 100 megawatt?

39:05 No. No. So 48.5 plus 200. 48. Got it. 48.5 plus 200. So at the end of the two years, it will be 248.5. Got it. Okay. Thank you so much. Thanks for answering all the questions. I I mean, I have to mention that out of all the KP group calls that I attend, your name is Shabana. Right? You do an amazing job in answering the question. Your communication is great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Sahila Agarwal from AYM Investment. Please go ahead. Hi. Thanks for the opportunity. Ma'am, I wanted to understand the thing that impact the EBITDA margin from 22 to 10%.

39:51 So we understand that there are geopolitical issues and everything, but I think it was mentioned that all our orders are cost pass through orders. That means that if there's any inflation pressure, then the cost is passed out. So let's say we... Even if we didn't do that, so the margins might dip 3%, 4%. That that we understand. But a dip from direct 22 to 12% is something which is concerning all the investors in KP Group. So we want to have some comments, like, what can we expect going forward? Like, will it remain 12%, or will it go back to 21, 22%, or can we expect somewhere in the middle? Sai, thank you for your question. Just to clarify, I'm not sure where from we have opinionated that it is cost plus contract.

40:41 Let me tell you the trend in the industry is always a firm and a fixed price contract subject to the scope that has been mentioned and the timeline and specifications, technical specifications that have been mentioned in the contract. So while, yes, there are four major clauses, of course, covered in every contract more or less. And we have been trying to look into them separately. But these kinds of contracts that we are already executing and are on hand, they do not have any cost plus consideration in this particular case. Also, as explained before, our focus more is during this quarter, despite of the enhanced cost, our focus more was on execution and to ensure that whatever deliverables we have committed to the client are in line, and we do not deviate on the same. And that is the reason why if you see that we have maintained our execution progress and we have achieved the top line as we have planned internally.

41:48 So going forward, while I would definitely ask you not to keep q one as the benchmark, but then current scenario and the environment is not permitting us to give you any kind of foresight in terms of what will be the change in terms of the net margins. As I said that the total cost impact that we have envisaged until now has already been factored, and we will try our best to meet them with our operational efficiencies. Okay. Got it. And my next question is about K.P. Green Engineering because there is no quarterly results or quarterly calls. For them, so I would like mister to answer this. So, like, sir, I want to understand, like, there there has been margin pressure for CPB segment for both K. P. Green and K. P. Energy.

42:37 So do you think that these margins pressure will also reflect in K. P. Green Engineering? I would like to take the liberty to answer your question before Afan sir can add anything more to it. So while the conditions... The geopolitical conditions that we have been witnessing across the world is not something has been specifically attributable to KPELERGY. It is also attributable to other entities. And currently, we are not in a position to comment anything in terms of KP Green Engineering. It being a separate entity, being managed separately with a separate head operating out of it. But I would appreciate if you can wait till the half year results, and I think that will be a better position to answer the question.

43:31 Okay. Got it. You. The next question is from the line of Nishant, an individual investor. Please go ahead. Hello. Am I audible? Yes, Nishant. You're audible. Okay. I have a couple of questions. So the first one is the company's market cap and institutional ownership has declined materially. Are there any governance or investor perception, like very high concentrated of related party transactions or other concerns contributing to this valuation discount, and what specific steps are... Is the management taking to address these concerns? Two things, Nishant, I would like to specify here that while the management is focused more on the capabilities of operations and the business per se, the management does not really have any role in terms of the share pricing and the valuation thereof.

44:30 I think there are many other factors which govern the share pricing and I would refrain from commenting on the same. Parallelly, going forward, the promoter himself has also invested in terms of share warrants in KPEL. Last year, you might have also seen through the exchange notifications that have been given. And he is very confident, he looks forward to have a larger stake in the entity. Okay. And just a follow-up before I go to the second question regarding this high concentration of related party transaction. Right? Which virtually makes a company internal subsidiary, which is what? Like, 50% of orders. Right? These are just orders, not other transactions or FDs and deposits. So you plan to reduce that and have more third party orders going forward?

45:20 Two things, Nishant. Yes. There are related party transactions, and these are all at arm's length. So while... The only thing that exists is that both the companies are related. Everything else is more on a commercial transaction, a very valued and arms length transaction, and I don't see anything wrong in terms of going ahead with this kind of a business. As you know that KP Energy per se is a leader in wind industry, wind EPC, and we do not have many peers who are competing with us on this matter. But then if in such a situation, if a group entity intends to get its IPP done through its sister concern or a group... Another group entity, I do not see any challenge in this.

46:07 On the contrary, it is more of win win situation for both the entities where the business of KPI, which is an IPV business, its own CapEx, is in safe hands in terms of execution, and we look forward at ease of operation from our aspect as well. Going forward, as I said that before also I mentioned that the supply is huge, and we are a bit picky in terms of what orders are we taking up. So, definitely, third parties also stand in the same comparison when we sit down to select what orders we should pick up on. Okay. Thank you. Maybe the second question now. I think the management has repeatedly highlighted expansion beyond Gujarat. Right? But visible execution remains negligible.

46:55 Why is that, and when can we expect meaningful projects and revenue contribution from this? So, yes, there have been certain steps. We have been looking for it. And as I said, we didn't want to jump without preparation or thorough preparation and didn't want to caught... Be caught off guard. So Karnataka is one opening where we are planning to set up a project. We are in further advanced stage of discussions, and we look forward to have more concrete, you know, publications in terms of the same. We've already tied up on terms of connectivity, in terms of land, in terms of PHP and PSS. And soon you will hear press release, I mean, another notification in terms of this particular region. So we are almost on a very, very larger scale in terms of 30%, I can say, in terms of total work that... Which is required to be done. About 30% has already been acquired in terms of the work which is being done. So soon you will be hearing news on the same. And rest assured, we would slowly and strongly would venture into different states.

48:14 Okay. Last thing on that, I think in November, it was mentioned in the con call that a big pipeline is there for Rajasthan and Mudia Pradesh. Now it's nine months on. How much of that pipeline has progressed to the stage where land grid connectivity or something is secured, and is there any development in that regard? Like Afansur already mentioned in his speech that we do understand that the renewable business is growing by leaps and bound, but one factor which is holding us back is the connectivity and the grid, basically, break... Grid. Also, as can be seen in the recent many months, you know, since almost the last one quarter, government has been resorting to curtailment. And in that event, what happens is that while many nazis are generating, but they are not in a position to encash this generation, which is resulting into a bit of a setback for the existing entities.

49:11 The solution to this curtailment is the best services, and that is what we are working on parallelly to ensure that we do not become a victim of the curtailment. And together, we also start getting into the business in the other states. So we are trying to find and optimize the solution, and we are working on it, and we will definitely go forward. That's the reason why I said that we are a bit picky on the orders that we have, and we just don't want to pick up anything and everything and block our resources. Understood. Thank you, and all the best. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of from Fintresh Capital. Please go ahead. Am I audible, ma'am?

49:56 Yes, Tarshal, you are audible. Thank Thank you for answering majority of the questions. Madam, I wanted to understand the pipeline that was there in the last quarter, right? Just two gigawatts of orders were in the pipeline. So any chance if they are materializing in this next quarter? Darshal, I think I already answered this, but I would like to again elaborate. The pipeline is even larger than two gigawatt, but as Hari said, we are taking up orders selectively. So, yes, we will... We can expect new coming orders in about six to nine months, and we are looking forward on the same. But as of now, we we are holding a bit... You know, we're going a bit slow in terms of picking the orders because we don't want to pick anything and everything as I mentioned before.

50:46 Correct. We... And we already have a strong order book in hand of 2.16 gigawatt. And I think we we would still enhance... We'll enhance our capabilities in terms of execution also, and we will also enhance our order book going forward. Understood. And just from the previous gentleman who asked the question, madam, if we have a price, you know, price contract, then then we can, you know, increase the price of the contract due to geopolitical issues like this. So what what is what is something that, you know, this order book... Do we have this price escalation clause in our current order book or we don't have? So there are different contracts for different projects that we are executing, and each contract is a distinct and a separate contract.

51:36 So not any contract... I mean, not every contract is similar. And then, again, the project is on the different stages of execution. So while certain stage can attract a specific clause, a certain stage cannot. So it... Again again, I cannot give you a generalized answer on it, but we are looking into our level best to see where we can, you know, look into the possibilities of having a force majeure clause in regards. Yeah. Because I understand because, you know, our current order book is something that we are trying to execute in this financial year. So assuming that, you know, we might not be at the end of the execution period, but maybe add them at the 60, 70% execution. So that's something that we can always negotiate with the customers with regards to what's happening the. Yeah. Yeah. I I I appreciate your concern, and I also understand where you're coming from.

52:26 And let me tell you that there are different projects having different margins and different stages also. So one which has already ended, probably, we may not be in a position to put the fourth major clause there. So we are exploring it, we'll definitely come out with best possible optimum solution for this kind of a situation. Understood. And as as the last... You know, just as a stakeholder, I'm not interested in as advice because we came up with the results yesterday with the dent in the margins, but we communicated it today later after... You know? There has been a period between this which has, you know, which has affected the stocks. So it would be really nice if we can come up with a press release if something like this has happened, which which can eventually, you know, inform the shareholders and the stakeholders of of what has happened within the quarter. It would be really nice. Okay.

53:20 Thank you, Darshil. Just to let you know that probably this is the most immediate investor call that we have lined up. Normally, we have an investor call which is two to three days later after the results are published. But considering the sensitivity only, we ensure that the investor call be lined up on the very next day of the results. But we have taken your concern, we appreciate it. Okay, ma'am. Thank you so much for answering all my questions. All the best. My pleasure. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Sunil Kumar, an individual investor. Please go ahead. Hey. Thank you for taking the question. Am I audible? Yes, Sunil. You are audible. Thanks. Ma'am, couple of things. You already talked enough on the margin front, but what I'm still not getting clarity is what is the future, right, Because in terms of... For the next three quarters, what is that we are looking at?

54:17 Margins have come from 44 to 50%. The guidance... Revenue guidance of 40, 50% to 30, 40% rate, and we are not getting any clarity on the margin, number one. Number two, last time when we spoke about, we said the order book value is about approximately 3,000 odd crores. Now during the course of the conversation, I heard it about 2,100 odd crores. So this quarter, we have booked about 519 odd crores. So where is the delta? And we have not disclosed again. There are few notes which I saw in terms of getting an additional gigawatt of order, but the value of the order was never disclosed in any of these. So if you can help us understand between the last quarter conversation, how much of additional net order which we have got it, and what is the uneducated order book which we have as on date, and what is that we are planning to complete by the end of this financial year?

55:14 Okay. I have taken all three questions of yours. I will answer them one by one. And in case I miss out, I would appreciate if you can repeat it later on. Coming to your question was what is the future in terms of going ahead? Of course, I have given a clarity in terms of the margins that we can expect and the current situation that we are in. But as I said that we are going to pick up orders selectively and we do look forward on a better margin component. However, one generic thing which I would like to elaborate, if you see the trend in most of the EPC entities, the margins of majority of the renewable sector EPC entities have dropped. I don't want to name, but there are certain entities where the margins have fallen by 12%, 7%, and 4%.

56:04 And in this situation, what we have experienced is not something which is our operational issue or which is the issue only within KP Energy. It is an issue which has been prevalent within the country, and that is the reason why we are not something different than what we have been doing with... What others have been experiencing. But considering the focus that the government has, and as you have seen that about six gigawatt of wind project were, you know, commissioned in last year, and the emphasis that government is putting in wind segment, I see a very good future ahead, and that can already be witnessed with the order book that we have on hand. Coming to the order book question that you had asked, yes, until last quarter, we had the opening order book of 3,000 crores in terms of value.

56:59 We have executed about 500 crores of business this quarter. That leaves about 2,500, and we spoke right now about 2,250. The gap of 200 50 is something which we are currently envisaging whether we should continue with the same business or should we take a call on descoping our existing order in hand. While giving the numbers to the investors, we have already factored that possibility and given you a conservative number of 2,250. So I answer you on that as well. In terms of gigawatt, order book in terms of gigawatt is a slightly different number than the order book in terms of value. Yes. We have contracts in terms of... I mean, the the capacity and in terms of value, and the capacity reduces every time the project gets energized. However, the order book is affected every time the milestone invoicing is being done.

57:58 Your suggestion in terms of when we publish the order intake, we do not publish the value. I will definitely pass it on to the concerned person in the management. However, at times, we are bound by the client requirements. The client, at many times, does not want us to go ahead and declare the value because they want to maintain their business secrets, that is why they deny. They actually hold us from publishing these numbers. And that is the major reason why we do not come up with the value. However, I will still pass on this message to the concerned person. Have I missed out any of your questions, Sunil? No, madam. Thank you. But... Yeah. So, again, if you cannot pass the client name, you can just just not disclose the client, but just the value so they can just to understand what it is, number one. Sure. Second is, like, I definitely want to see the far... Potential more often because what it gives...

58:56 Sends a message is when the going was good, he was seeing more on the TV. When the going gets stuck, he's probably not in that enough. So we want to make sure that... See see, good or bad, we as investor on this comp... On this company. We have pretty much invested in all the three companies. It is unfortunate that we are going through this phase. Right? But we want to see more of our producers being on... Again, just be very frank and open on this. Right? End of the day. Sure. We as a shareholder, we want to know because it does not give the current impression. Right? Because when the going was good, you are seeing more often on the team. Now it is tough. We are not seeing that enough. Right? And that's why some of the questions even in the past, if you look at it right by mister is not seen in the call as well. Because earlier, we used to see him in the call. He used to take some of the questions, if not all.

59:42 Okay. So, Nilji, I would I would... I appreciate your concerns, let me be very, very candid with you. What you have been apprehending is not what the fact is. The fact is that number one, the going is not bad. So I'm sorry, but I would like to correct you there that the going is great going forward. It is even better. As I can assure you, the market per se, the industry is already growing my leaps and bounds, and we have immense opportunities. And honestly speaking, let's pass aside the margin, but what what really matters is the operational efficiency. And we've delivered 521 crores. And in such a difficult environment, I'm really proud of my execution team that they have kept these numbers, and they have achieved something which was very difficult in this terrain. So I'm I'm rather more optimistic in terms of our capabilities, and I'm rest assured that the going here onwards is going to be splendid.

1:00:41 Now coming to Farooq's presence, let me tell you, Farooq's has already been there, and he will continue to be there wherever he is required and wherever he is not required. He is a silent audience watching over us, watching over our execution capacities, watching over the performances of the entire group. Whenever wherever the growth was initially less also, Farooqsar was there, and he has been continued. His presence has been continued. His blessings have been continued. His guidance has been continued. And one second. One... Just a moment. Please please hold on. Sure. We have doctor on call. He would like to say something to you. We have him on the another phone call. Sir, please go ahead. Mister Sunil Kumar is here.

1:01:36 Sir, thank you so much for coming on sir. Sir,. Hey. It is India or coal alternate Okay.

1:02:24 For the time being situation, something is going tough, but it is not necessary that we have to be think on only tough position. End of the year, you will see the significant change, and you will see the significant top and bottom line growth in the company, in the group. Don't worry at all. To my... All the investor and my... All the shareholders, including everyone. Thank you, sir. Thank you for your kind words. Thank you, sir. So much, sir. It is so reassuring. Yeah. What I'm I'm I know, ma'am, is doing a fantastic job.

1:03:18 The others are also there in the call, but coming from you is very, very reassuring. So so thank you so much, Thank

1:05:13 you so much, sir. Thank you so much. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. That's all from my side. It is very, very reassuring. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of from SS Family Office. Please go ahead. Mr. Gupta has left the queue. And as there are no further questions from the participants, I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, everyone, for your active participation in the call. We have been able to answer all your queries satisfactorily. For any additional query, please feel free to write to us at our email address given on the investor presentation as well as on our website. We look forward to staying in touch with you all. Thank you very much.

1:06:09 Thank you.. Thank you. On behalf of Share India Securities Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.