Ilika (LSE:IKA) — Half Year Results

0:00 Good afternoon, and welcome to the ILIKA PLC investor presentation. Throughout this recorded presentation, investors will be in listen only mode. Questions are encouraged and could be submitted at any time via the q and a tab situated on the right hand corner of your screen. Simply type in your questions and press send. The company may not be in a position to answer every question received during the meeting itself. However, the company can review all questions submitted today and publish responses where it's appropriate to do so. Before we begin, I'd like to submit the following poll. I'd now like to hand you over to Graham Purdy, CEO. Good afternoon, sir. Good afternoon. Many thanks to everybody for taking the time to dial into IKA's half year results presentation. So we're gonna have a quick drop through the presentation, and apologies to those long term followers of the company who know some of the backstory here. But I will go over some of the basics just to make sure that for any new investors who are joining this presentation, they get the full picture.

0:58 And then we'll go into a detailed overview of the principal milestones that the company has hit and things to look forward to in the coming period. And then, of course, we're going to some of the interesting questions that are coming in, and I can see there's quite a a collection of questions already. So I look forward to addressing those after we finish going through the slides. So let's crack on. First of all, for the avoidance of doubt, IKA is a solid state battery developer, and that's what we're gonna be talking about over the coming hour or so. We're gonna talk about the state of the market and the state of our technology to address that opportunity.

1:44 We've got two product lines with different end markets in rapidly growing sectors in both cases. On the one hand, we've got our Stereax miniature solid state batteries, which are primarily designed to power active implantable medical devices and also wireless industrial sensors, sometimes called IoT. And then on the other hand, we've got a large format solid state batteries, which have been developed for the automotive industry and also for cordless consumer appliances. We have an asset light business model with these products proven on pilot line and up to gigafactory scale in the case of Goliath on equipment that's relevant to gigafactory deployment.

2:38 We've got a a long track record of r and d with 78 patents now in our portfolio that are granted and and more applications coming through, so we're ready for commercialization. And we've also had a significant amount of capital invested in the company to date, not only via grant and and commercial funding, but also equity investments to put us in a position to be able to deliver our commercial objectives. In terms of the status of the two product lines, on the one hand, Steriax has been licensed to a manufacturing partner already, a company called Certec Medical headquartered in The US, and I'll come back to the state of that relationship during the presentation.

3:24 And on the other hand, our Goliath product line has reached product prototyping stage. So first of all, a bit of a review of some of the key announcements from the first half of this year. Well, the the year started well with a successful equity raise that provide us with a stable platform for running the business with contributions from both existing and new investors. So many thanks to those of you who participated in that placing an open offer. In terms of Sterex, we qualified the manufacturing process at Certik for Sterex micro batteries.

4:11 We then followed that up by commencing production for product testing and the initial deliveries to customers. Those batteries were then delivered to customers before the end of the year. That was post half one event. Actually, can see a a box there of deliveries going to one of our customers, Lura Health, who were actually kind enough to be able to give us a supportive quote on the press release that we issued when that happened in December. And just yesterday, for those of you who follow our news flow on a regular basis, we were able to announce that we'd received the first purchase order for the initial commercial batches of the cathode delivery. So actually that's the stereax electrodes that we supply to Certik to be able to enable them to make larger volumes of products. So that's an early indicator that volumes of commercial products are starting to ramp.

5:20 Focusing now on some of the Goliath milestones that we hit, we started the year without validation of two Ampower Goliath prototypes, which was, you know, really great. I'll come back to that in a moment. We secured some grant funding for Goliath industrial prototyping, and also we've got key automotive support. We finished commissioning the automated pilot line that we've got at our facility, which is, you know, a real strengthening of our ability to make 10 ampere cells, 10 ampere batteries. And we initiated the shipping of those prototypes to customers as we'd suggested we would in 2025.

6:11 So here you see an overview actually of some of those milestones and then some insight into what to expect in terms of further commercial progress in 2026. So on the left hand side, we've got Sterex milestones on the top in blue, and we've got Goliath milestones in green underneath that. And they go from left to right across this plot here. So on Sterex, in terms of following up on the initial delivery of product, the bit in in the the hashed green box, which covers this year now, 2026, you can see we we started in style actually by delivering that first milestone. That's one I've just been mentioning that we started just yesterday.

7:02 Actually, we announced receipt of the purchase order for those electrodes. The next stage really is gonna be an announcement about integrating the Steriaxt product in the Surtech power management offering. So, you know, one of the the big advantages of working with Surtech Medical is that they've got a number of different technology platforms that they offer to their OEM customers. And they're able to offer a full solution for neurostimulation and integrating our Sterex batteries into that really provides a powerful route to market for that particular component. And then, of course, later in the year, we can expect to announce some initial application design ins. So this is where the end customers, so our customers and Certex customers, large companies and and some of the technology developers that we're working with too, take that platform and perhaps just the stereo x components themselves and then design them into products that are taken to market.

8:09 On Goliath, having shipped those 10 amp hour prototypes at the end of twenty twenty five, Of course, we're on tenterhooks waiting for some of the feedback from third parties who are testing those prototypes using their own duty cycles. And sometimes they are proprietary and you don't get full insight into the test regimes that they get subjected to. And we will have conversations with those potential customers and talk about how we can convert those 10 amp hour prototypes into the initial minimum viable products, which really are a samples in the context of the conversations we're having for the EV and automotive sector.

8:55 And then we will use that as a springboard for securing a commercial scale up partner or partners in the same way that we've done for Sterex with CertiK. Just a reminder of our business model here. ILIKA sits at the center of an asset light licensing model where we demonstrate our products capabilities and our process on an industrially relevant pilot line. And actually, in the case of Goliath, we work closely together with the UK Battery Industrialization Center or UK BIC, where they have much larger scale equipment that actually, there's a picture of some of that later on in this presentation.

9:44 And we'll just remind you of the the scale that that facility operates. Very useful that we have access to that here in The UK. But essentially, ILIKA is an IP generating engine. And that IP, which includes materials, battery architecture know how, and process know how is licensed to either an OEM or a tier one manufacturing partner like you see in green and and blue circles respectively on this diagram. And in return, we receive licensing fees and royalties. And of course, where we're working with a tier one manufacturing partner, they then sell our batteries and and perhaps an assembly through to the OEM for final branding and commercialization.

10:40 So we believe that this is a a capital efficient strategy suited for the type of business that we are and supports rapid industrial adoption of our technology. So let's talk in a in a bit more detail about Sterex. Sterex, as I explained, is for active implantable medical devices primarily. And there are some of the applications applications which are are really exciting applications ranging from orthopedics. So, you know, smart smart hip replacements, knee replacements, shoulder replacements where you can use this technology to track the physiotherapy that a patient undertakes and make sure that that recovery is as efficient as possible.

11:26 Neurostimulation or neuromodulation, sometimes actually called nerve stim as well. So stimulation of the peripheral nervous system. You know, the the most basic application here is where you actually offset some of the pain that you may get, for instance, lower back pain with a stimulation of the nerves that are involved. And this gives the patient some relief from that pain. But also some very broad applications in cognitive disorders and also strokes and even stimulating some organs through the vagus nerve. So it's a really exciting applications there. Then some implanted sensors for people who struggle with chronic conditions that need regular monitoring for the health of the patient. They could be, oxygen pressure and blood, or, you know, cardiovascular complaints.

12:24 Often, high blood pressure is is monitored using these sensors. Then we've got some ophthalmic applications. So various conditions of the eye that can be monitored. And then finally, orthodontic. So mouth guards and salivary monitoring applications such as what we highlighted with Lura Health in our release just before Christmas. So some exciting applications. A lot of the the customers actually for these applications are based in The US. Some of the largest medical device companies in the world are headquarters in The US. And so having a relationship that is based over there for manufacturing the product is a really great fit with that geographic location.

13:16 And this is what the product looks like. This is our m 300. You can see it's a tiny little battery, 300 micro amp hours of capacity. You know, the the big attraction of that is how small it is and how easily it can be integrated into some of these tiny little implantables. The fact that it's got a a long cycle life and also a high pulse current. So it can be used to drive Bluetooth chips and send data from the device outside of the body and to often, frankly, a mobile phone where it is relayed onto a database or an app to manage the health condition. So the big advantage of these really is that you can reduce surgery time. And and this is absolutely critical to reduce the cost of these implants because most of that cost is driven by time in the Operating Theater and the time of the surgical team that is carrying out the operation. So if you've got a small implanted device that can be inserted easily into the body, then you reduce the amount of time that's required in the theater.

14:25 So this Certik Medical partnership is really going from strength to strength. Just before Christmas, of course, we shipped those m three hundreds to customers that had largely been made at the Certik facility across in Lowell in Massachusetts. And we're now starting to register those commercial revenues from wafer processing. So that's the the positive electrodes that we manufacture here in The UK and we send over to The US. You know, we've got a strong licensing agreement in place there to the mutual benefit of both CertiK Medical and ourselves providing the product at an affordable price to end customers. We believe that this relationship really demonstrates industry validation of the product and the process.

15:18 It gives us really important access to manufacturing scale. So that's often the question that we got when we were manufacturing at pilot line scale here in The UK. You know, these big med tech companies would say, great that you've got a pilot line. How do we get to the much larger volumes of production that are required? And of course, we can do that through a company like Certec Medical. They've also got a fantastic business development team. Actually, one of my colleagues, Denis Pizero, who you might have seen in some of the videos and publicity that we have created is across in California at the moment with the Certik business development team at the NANS show, the North American Neurostimulation Society.

16:08 And he is working closely together with them to interact with some of the potential partners and customers who are interested in our neuromodulation capability. There's also a really strong technology focus at Surtech that matches our own road map. So the two are very closely aligned, and this, of course, is is really enabling that fast adoption of the Sterex product. So how does that all translate into revenue that we as a company and your shareholders can benefit from? I'm gonna let Jason say a few words about this chart. Thank you, Graham, and thank you to everyone who's attending today. This is designed just to give a better understanding of how the different layers of revenue will come for the Sterex side of the business. So, this is purely as an indication rather than, any specific numbers.

17:06 But to help give some explanation for the different layers that we have. So, as you can see from the slide, we've got four different layers of income that will feed through on the stereoxide of the business. The first of those, Graham's already touched on that, relates to that cathode deposition process. So covered within our contract, we will be providing that, on a regular basis, and the contract does stipulate, the leads time for delivery. And that will progress from now onwards. So that gives us a good drumbeat of low tens of thousands of income that will be coming through for each of those batches that we deliver across to feed into that production process as we go forward. And that's a really, really important point for the business as it gives a good baseline of income to start with, even before we start to get product into people's hands and we start to see the really, fantastic growth from product royalty revenue, which obviously follows on after that.

18:09 Underneath that in the green section, we do have, expectations around nonrecurring engineering, so NRE. This is a big element within the med tech sector. And actually, Certik drive a large piece of their own revenue from this and have guided us around what we should be expecting, as we work with end customers either to validate our Sterex batteries in their particular application, and they would pay for that validation and support through their certification process, or if they have a specific need for a size or shape of a variation of our Sterex MVP to suit their particular application. Obviously, some of these in body applications have very precise needs in terms of where they can be located and therefore the shape of the device, and that plays back into the strengths of Sterex, and how we can adapt that.

19:05 Underneath that, obviously, we're expecting royalty to come through as, specified within our with Certech. In the short term up to a volume break point, that's actually a profit share. So we will get the larger proportion of any, profit that's coming through from those batteries from an agreed sales price and cost price that we have within the contract. Unfortunately, that's covered under NDA, so we're not in a position where we can share the precise details of that. But that certainly protects us at those low volume, initial orders as they come through to make sure that we are getting a good return back. And then beyond that, at the very bottom, we actually have some carve outs within the contract, to make sure that we can offer the Stereact's product to other markets or to very high volume applications.

19:54 That means that we won't lose out on any opportunities if they come along. And for any reason at all, CertiK are not able to scale as quickly as that product demands, we do have the ability to issue additional licenses, and we would expect those to come with upfront license fees that would feed through. So giving lots of different opportunities, but really that revenue starts now with those first purchase orders as we announced yesterday for the, cathode deposition process. Great. Well, covers the update for Sterex. So let's talk a little bit about Goliath now. Contrary to a lot of the media headlines, which you may be misled by, Actually, the sales of EVs have continued to grow in 2025 as the sales of traditional vehicles, ICE vehicles, so internal combustion engine vehicles, continue to decline globally.

20:55 Here in The UK, and I know a lot of our shareholders are based here in The UK, last year, 23% of new car registrations were for EVs. In December, that had actually peaked at 32%. And the majority of new vehicle registrations, if you combine hybrid electric vehicles, so mild hybrids and plug in hybrids and full EVs, actually, the majority of vehicle sales were made up by those different categories. So continuing to grow and also on this slide, you see the forecast from the office of budget responsibility, OBR here in The UK, expecting despite some of the maybe slightly confusing legislation that was brought through in the budget, still an expectation of the rise of electric vehicle penetration as we go forward in time. And and by the time you get to 2035, actually, the majority of vehicles on the road, so total car stock then being EVs.

22:14 However, we should also recognize that there are some headwinds. And, you know, they're particularly strong in The US where the current administration isn't offering the same level of incentives for EVs as we've seen with the previous administration. And that's led to some turbulence in the market. But the longer structural growth drivers remain intact. And I think the key thing here to recognize is that Goliath technology offers a differentiated approach for European and and North American manufacturers who are looking to differentiate the product that they're making from the dominant Asian offerings that are out there at the moment.

23:06 So the reality is a lot of the people who are building gigafactories at the moment have taken a license to established Asian technology. And I think that's an entirely rational approach when you first want to set up a a gigafactory. You want to make sure that the technology is stable and that you can then use it to good effect. Effect, But that's not a sustainable business model because, actually, you're reliant on tariffs in order to protect your business from low cost efficient Asian competition. And if you want to differentiate your offering, you have to look to new technology. And that's really the USP for working with companies like ILIKA is that you can come up with an offering that gives you a sustainable competitive advantage.

24:00 Now in addition to that, I also wanted to mention European demand in aerospace and defense. You're you're seeing substantial growth in this sector for related battery technologies. And that's really driven by increased defense spending where budgets have been ramped up. The remorseless electrification of defense platforms just in the same way that we as consumers are seeing the electrification of a lot of our domestic appliances. You're also seeing that in the defense industry. There is a need for portable power, I. E. Being able to use these devices in the field. And, of course, there's a strong argument for having some strategic autonomy where perhaps, you know, some of the alliances that there might have been historically are not looking as strong and dependable as they might have been. So, you know, some interesting non EV applications for the technology.

25:08 Just to reiterate why anybody should be interested in using Goliath in an EV, we've done some great modeling work together with a company called Balance Batteries here in The UK. They are pack designers. And they looked at putting in Goliath batteries into a state of the art EV and seeing what the effect would be from an economic perspective and also a performance perspective. And they calculated a reduction in the cost of the battery pack of £2,500 relative to the battery technology that's used currently. So those of you watching in color, about $3,000. A weight saving of up to 20%, and that correlates to a range extension of that order of magnitude because, of course, the lighter the vehicle, the further it will go for a given amount of energy.

26:06 And a third off the charge time. So a drop from eighteen minutes to twelve minutes on a 10 to 80 state of charge. So saving of six minutes there, which makes a big difference. And there's a a reiteration on this slide of that validation that we got of our two OnPower prototypes that we'd sent out last year for validation. Performed a specification putting them in that leading cohort of solid state batteries. So, you know, that supports the further engagement that we've had with that particular tier one and others with with our latest release of 10 amp hour prototypes. So I promised you a picture of what some of the equipment looks like at UK BIC. There's actually a photograph of an operator maintaining an impeller on one of the mixing vessels.

27:02 So you see the massive scale at which this equipment operates. Really important that we can demonstrate that our technology is compatible with that scale of equipment, and that gives our customers a lot of comfort that the process technology that we've developed is easily deployable in an existing gigafactory. So as part part of of the the work work that we did with UK BIC, we successfully coated an electrode electrolytes composite. So the way that our solid state batteries work is that we we have a coating of our electrolytes on the anode. We got a a higher manufacturing yield than we saw on our own pilot line. Sometimes, you know, the reverse is true in other technologies, but not here. We've seen actually that as you go to a larger scale on this quite sophisticated equipment, you actually get an improvement in yield.

28:00 And also, when we tested the batteries, we actually found that that increase in quality gave them a higher capacity and a faster charging protocols. So very, you know, broadly positive outcomes from that scale up work. And the fact that standardized gigafactory equipment can be used, it means that there's no real demand for replacing the existing manufacturing equipment that's used there. You've got a reduced risk when you deploy our technology. And, you know, you've got that yield increase and and cost reduction. And yield is so important in this sector to make sure that you've got sustainable economic model.

28:51 So in terms of, you know, what you could expect going forward, I mean, there's been a a whole raft of milestones that we have achieved in 2025 that that gave us consistent and regular news flow that we could use to keep our shareholders apprised of progress. But it's given us a strong platform for more news to come in the second half of the financial year through this year and and onwards. You know, we we're waiting for that customer feedback on the 10 amp hour cells for the applications that we have distributed these these batteries for. So EV and non EV. So samples went out to a broad range of different companies.

29:45 We expect actually to get some further grant support for testing and and validation of our technology. So that goes a long way to offset some of the ongoing r and d costs that we've got. And then once we've got that validation of our products, we're in a position to progress the discussions with our target customers about what their minimum viable products might be for a generic a sample in the case of the automotive industry, that's what they're called, to define that, get them shipped and and evaluated, and then in due course, to allow us to enter into exactly the same sorts of manufacturing relationship for Sterex.

30:33 And this is what the scale up story looks like. Just to reiterate that we do not anticipate manufacturing Goliath cells at at a larger scale than pilot line scale. We believe that that larger scale manufacturing is better done together with a manufacturing partner. Because, of course, if you're a big automotive OEM, you really wanna make sure that you've got a low risk supply chain. So it's far better that we partner with a manufacturing focused organization that's got an established relationship with an OEM so that we can leverage their expertise and give them comfort that the technology is being delivered, the product is being delivered in a reliable manner.

31:22 But, of course, that opens the licensing opportunity window for us. Now that we've started shipping these 10 amp hour cells, we're in that green zone that's pictured at the top there as we go through the next stages of scale up and development together with one or more partners, and then transfer the technology into a a gigafactory environment. So Jason, perhaps talk through how we've built up that revenue projection with an increased number of customers relative to the last time that we spoke. You can see that we've now got 27 NDAs evaluation agreements in place. Jason, over to you. Thank you, Graham. A very similar story to the Sterex side of the business and the revenue buildup that we looked at slightly earlier. So made up of four different elements.

32:19 Here, once again, we the first element has already commenced, and that's grant funding. So that's that top section. And grant funding has been a really important element for us, not just because it is nondilutive share funding. So for every pound that we, can deploy, half of that cost on average is covered by a grant where we've been able to secure grant funding to be able to support that particular work package. And we'll touch on the financial results in a moment, but we have continued to secure new grant funding projects, as we have gone through the first half of this year, and we'll continue to do so. So we see that as a continuing point. The other element around those grant funded projects is they're also an incredibly good way to engage with the automotives and tier ones because they are also looking to collaborate through those grant funded projects as a way to evaluate new technologies. So as we move through the cell design, the MPV MVP section and start to look at the benefits and delivering those in the pack and module, as Graham touched on earlier, where some of those benefits for ourselves really come out. We've got good interest from automotive and tier ones in doing grant funded projects around that type of activity. So it's a really important way for us to engage with those, key potential customers as we go forward.

33:49 Underneath that, there's a very small element of non reoccurring engineering, for the Goliath product. The reason for that is that while we've designed a format of pouch cell, we've designed that really around, a commonality with the UK BIC so that we could scale up using the equipment that the government has got in place, I mean, Graham talked about earlier, to prove that our cells work at gigascale. However, each individual auto, company or tier one manufacturer may have slight variations to fit their pack of module designs. So we expect that if we are to change that design slightly to fit their particular needs as we enter into that licensing point, that we would be able to receive some funding from them to be able to do that piece of work.

34:40 Obviously, we then have battery worth revenue. Now that does take a little bit of time to start building through in volume with the automotive side of the business very much because of the time to build through that, demonstration of a, b, and c samples that Graham showed on the previous slide as the automotive or tier one deploys that in their own Gigafactory and gets that into their vehicle platform and onto the fork. But really, as you can see towards the end of the period, as volume picks off, that's where really, large volumes, of income starts to come through. And underneath that, the last point then, but potentially the largest, income generator in the short to medium term is licensing income. So as Graham talked about, we're in that green window for licensing discussions.

35:29 We would expect those licenses when we secure them to have a number of stage payments against performance, and the expectation there is that will be tied to, those a, b, and c sample points that we showed on the previous slide. So, really, that's around, looking for an option to evaluate at that a sample point. So when we lock down our MVP, which we're looking to do in the the near future and and look for those partners. Then as we transfer that same sized product into the automotive's own pilot line, that would be classed as that b sample, and they produce it under that license, that would trigger another stage payment. And then finally, as it goes to what's called a c sample, and that's the point when it's made at Gigafactory scale, that would deliver a final stage payment on those license.

36:20 I would expect a couple of licenses, in the automotive sector, but also opportunity for licenses outside of that along with those other applications that you can see in the top right hand corner, so potentially supporting defense or consumer electronics. So that gives a a real buildup of how we expect Goliath to develop some revenue as we go forward. In terms of the half year results, that were in the announcement, our turnover is not 600,000. Now that is down from the previous year, and really that's to do with the timing of the grant funding. So for those that have followed the business, during, this point last year, we had two grant funded projects that was history and system, which were coming to the end, and they had, finished by January, 2025.

37:17 So you saw more of the revenue in the first half of the prior year. And this year, you're seeing the commencement of our primes project, which we secured. So there's more to come from that revenue as we go through into the second half. So you'll see that equalizing and then moving ahead as we move into the second half. So those secondary bullet points there just to confirm that that really is the grant funding movement that you've seen coming through. The EBITDA loss, has increased year on year at the half year point, and that really is a reflection of two elements. One, that reduction in turnover, but also on the Goliath side of the business as we've ramped up from those p one, two, and power products into the p one point five ten hour power items, you know, five times energy. There's five times as much active material going into those. We're consuming much more from a materials point of view as we produce those prototypes, and we expect us to do that as we go through. We have to make these larger cells for the, potential licensees to evaluate. So that's part of the journey that we're going on, which then leaves us with a cash balance at the half year end of 6,900,000, versus 10.1. But I would point out, you know, as you can see in the accounts, that were published, we have a significant r and d tax credit that is paid out through the, latter half of the calendar year, and that was received shortly after the close of the half year results. So that helps to bolster the cash position up further and give us

38:49 a longer runway. Thank you, Jason. So just to wrap up the formal part of the presentation, I think five great reasons to think about continuing to invest in ILIKA. First of all, we have a really strong patent portfolio. Lot of know how in the business about solid state battery technology, is a really exciting deep tech sector to get involved in. We're diversified across multiple markets, so two main market sectors with a a near term roots to commercialization. We've got a set of fabrication facilities, so pilot lines that are able to support technology licensing and partnerships and validate scale up plans.

39:44 We've already got a licensing and royalty agreement in place with Certik to deliver economy of scale and our ability to run production to feed products to customers of Sterex. And finally, we've successfully shipped Goliath prototype batteries to OEMs and tier ones who are interested in the product as an early indication of adoption of that technology and commercial rollout. So many thanks, and we will shortly move over to our q and a. Graham, Jason, thank you very much for your presentation this afternoon. Ladies and gentlemen, please do continue to submit your questions just by using the Q and A tab situated on the right hand corner of your screen. Just while the company take a few moments to review those questions submitted today, I'd like to remind you that a recording of this presentation along with a copy of the slides and the published q and a can be accessed by our investor dashboard.

40:42 As you can see, we have received a number of questions throughout today's presentation. Can I please ask you to to read out the questions and give responses where appropriate to do so, and I'll pick up from you at the end? Thank you. So first of all, many thanks for such an array of questions. We've got a really interesting set that we are gonna do our best to answer as completely as we can. So the first one is who do you see as your biggest competitors and what is the risk of superior innovations taking market share? Great question to kick off. So there are two types of competitors, really. The the first one is incumbent battery manufacturing companies who are innovating their existing traditional lithium ion technology and trying to improve that either with a solid state alternative or perhaps just a a better liquid electrolyte based lithium ion cell. And then on the other hand, there are technology developers who are similar companies to us who are looking to either enter the market with a a new manufactured a new manufactured product or to license the technology in the same way that we do.

42:08 So, you know, biggest companies will look. The the incumbents in this sector from for manufacturing batteries are Chinese and Korean and Japanese companies like BYD, CATL, SK on in in Korea, Samsung SDI, LG Chem, and Panasonic. And so you see these guys being very active in the sector. And then technology innovators, technology developers. You got some highly valued US competitors such as QuantumScape and Solid Power and also some, you know, privately held companies.

42:57 And what I would say is that a lot of these offerings are differentiated from each other. So the, you know, the solid state umbrella term is is very broad. And just as you get quite a bit of diversity in standard lithium ion cells, you've got different types of solid state batteries. And the choices that you make around the materials combination for these different types of batteries have a direct impact on the performance of the cells and therefore the benefits that they give the end user. And there's actually quite a bit of diversity in normal lithium ion battery technology. You know, the the batteries that go into consumer electronics and consumer appliances are often very different batteries that might go into stationary storage or EVs. And and even within, you know, the EV sector, are different types of of chemistry that are being used there. So what I would say is that although, although, you know, there are different offerings, there will be applications for the different types of solid state battery that are developed.

44:17 And so because it's a rapidly growing market, I expect that most of the technologies that have got merits and and unique properties that differentiate themselves will be adopted for different applications. So I'm not worried too much about market share. I don't think there's gonna be one battery to rule them all. I think there are going to be different segments where these batteries can be deployed. Okay. We've got a question here. When will a company start making money? Well, as I've already taught to, certainly, from commercialization on the Sterex side of the business will flow almost immediately as we start that cathode deposition process. And that really is, I can't stress enough, an important inflection point for Steriac's, side of the business as that really rings the bell to say we're making product, and that's feeding through into the various different processes that CertiK now completes through on the back of that, before product then comes out, through that. Now as with all of the batteries that we are developing and producing, part of the success of those is underpinned by having a dataset that really displays that those batteries can be proven to do exactly what we say on the tin. So it will take some time for us to have, you know, all of the data required to support that as we go through. But we do expect certainly on the stereotype side once

45:48 again that we'll start to see low volumes of product sales. So actual battery sales started to come through before the end of the 2026 calendar year. So, really, then we've completed that commercialization of the product, and then it is about supporting Certik and the ultimate end customers as they get those batteries into their devices and ramp up their own, development processes and whatever verification and validation process they need to go through depending on the class of device that those go into. On the Goliath side of the business, obviously, we've talked about revenue coming from grant funding, but that isn't really commercialization of those batteries on the Goliath side. And that really comes down to as we move through this year, we will settle on that MVP that we talked about and look for how we can get those into production with partners.

46:44 Now as Graham has talked about, although the automotive sector has some headwinds against it, those other markets that are opening up may give us a much shorter window, in terms of being able to get some commercialization happening with those 10 amp power cells, which are the perfect size for some of those ancillary applications that Graham talked about. So, really, this year gives us a a a great opportunity to start seeing money coming through on both sides of the business. So the next question is with the development of m 1,000 cells, so this is a larger capacity design of Sterex cells that we've talked about previously, previously, will STERTEC be able to produce these on current equipment alongside m 300, or will new equipment have to be installed?

47:40 So this is a a great question. The the prototyping work that we've done so far has indicated that it is possible to make m 1,000 cells using the same process that we currently deploy for m 300. So effectively, effectively, you know, these are larger capacity, more energy dense cells. So they have, you know, more appeal for certain power hungry applications. However, we are still reviewing whether there are process changes that would give a more price competitive products based either on operational yields because we can get a higher yield using a different process approach, or whether the actual process itself is intrinsically cheaper than the process steps that we've defined for m 300.

48:38 So we haven't yet finalized the process flow sheet for m one thousands, and that's an ongoing piece of work. But our game plan is to commercialize and roll out m three hundreds first and make sure that we capture all of the learnings from that product launch before we invest further in any changes to the process for m one thousands. Okay. We've got a question here. Are ILIKA in discussions with any companies about using Sterex for AI glasses? Well, as I'm sure you can imagine, any sort of deep technology development for a consumer product is covered under nondisclosure agreement, so we can't specifically talk about anyone that we are talking to. But we can say that we have lots of interest about a range of applications, and not all of those are just in the med tech space. Some of those are in the small consumer electronic space.

49:35 So there is definitely interest in the size, shape, and power of the Sterex batteries for being able to supply, those small devices that you can imagine might suit that application. So it's a difficult one for us to give any information on as it's tightly covered. But safe to say we are exploring as many opportunities as we can, with companies, and we have some strong relationships in those sectors. Then the next question is, are ILIKA in discussions with any companies about using SSBs in mobile phones or as portable battery packs? So just for clarity, the technology platform that's relevant for these applications is Goliath.

50:23 Of course, you know, we have focused the Goliath development on the EV objective, which is what we receive grant funding to deliver. However, we have talked about some ancillary markets that we can address. And, you know, mobile phones is a an example of consumer electronics, which would benefit from having solid state batteries. And, you know, perhaps more pertinent to defense applications, portable battery packs are definitely an application area too. So it's it's absolutely key to make sure that the USPs, the unique selling points for our solid state batteries are relevant to these applications, and and we believe that they are in some respects.

51:17 And and therefore, we are validating the commercial opportunities for these deployments as part of the overall commercialization strategy that we're rolling out. Okay. For the next, I'm actually going to take the next two questions as they're they're almost identical, one for Sterex and one for Glyde. So I shall attempt to cover them both off with one answer. So the first of those two questions is what has been the initial feedback from certain customers using Sterex? And the second question is what has been the early feedback from customers about the 10 amp power goliath batteries? So both of these relating to the deliveries that we announced just, before Christmas at the end of December. And the answer for both is very much the same in that batteries, need to be assessed over a period of time by the people that are evaluating them.

52:10 So there's no immediate answer other than, the thanks for fulfilling the backlog to get those cuts those cells, Sterex or Goliath into their hands. But we are in close communication with the companies that we've delivered those to, and we will gather that feedback as they have worked to integrate them into their own testing systems and then as they cycle and run them through. And once we get that information and get that feedback, then we will look for the appropriate way in which we can feed that back, to the shareholder base and to the wider market so that people can understand what that feedback is, because it's always great to get external feedback and validation for our products rather than just the own our own information which we can share. The next question is, how confident are IKA of agreeing licensing deals for Goliath during 2026?

53:03 Well, look, the licensing window for the technology is now open. I think, really, the delivery of our 10 amp prototypes fired the starting pistol on that particular race. We we haven't just limited ourselves to saying that that licensing deal is going to be concluded in this year. As you can see, actually, from the slide where we cover that, we we would would expect discussions to go on for, you know, the next thirty months or so. And, obviously, we would push for an early licensing deal where possible. But for a deal of this magnitude, you know, there's due diligence that's required.

53:51 And so we expect that we will continue working on this opportunity throughout this calendar year. K. The next question is can you confirm the external pressure needed for your cells? For those that maybe don't understand that question, there are some circumstances where external pressure can be applied to cells, either cylindrical cells, pouch, or prismatic cells, to aid in the performance of those, and that varies based on the format of the cells and the chemistry within them. Unfortunately, we're not in a position where we can share that information. We're in discussions with the order customers, around what they're looking for. And, actually, some of those have differing needs around pressure for their different applications and how they put together their pack and module. And part of our own development plans are pulling together lots of information to support those various different applications to help guide our customers and to gain better feedback on what works best, not only for our own chemistry set as we develop that, but also for the customers and how they wish to integrate that within their packs and modules.

55:08 Mindfully done, Jason. I would maybe just add to that response that, you know, the application of external pressure can improve the cycle life of both lithium metal and silicon anode based designs. We're aware of that. But, of course, the, you know, the downside of applying too much pressure is that it becomes a difficult engineering challenge. You don't really want to have a battery pack in your vehicle that needs substantial amount of external pressure applied. So we are optimizing our cell architecture to try and keep that pressure to a level which is economically viable within the context of mass production vehicles.

56:03 The next question is an interesting one. What do you make of recent claims by Donut Lab? Well, you know, this is a question that we've had quite a lot actually since CES. Congratulations to Donut Lab managing to monopolize the conversation in the battery sector over the the space of a few days. Look, I mean, there there were some fantastic claims. It felt a bit like the clock had had been been rewound to 2019 when a lot of companies were claiming spectacular performance for their technologies. I think, you know, the if you read a lot of the industry analysis and informed commentary on the technology that it is unlikely that all of the claims will be substantiated.

56:55 And it appears to be more a technology which is derived from capacitor technology rather than straightforward what we'd consider to be battery technology. So capacitor technology is capable of delivering large pulses of energy, of electricity. But typically, capacitors are not capable of storing energy over long periods of time. So there may be downsides which become apparent in due course once you get external validation by, you know, independent authorities or potential customers of this technology. And I would say that to all appearances, it appears that there is quite a long timeline between now and such technology being commercially ready.

57:56 So probably not one to worry about too much in the short term. Mindful of time left in the broadcast. If I handle the next one, which I think might give us a sort of a a suitable landing point, there's a question here. What's your commercial plan for '26 for Sterex and Goliath? And I've also seen another question later related to what milestones should we be looking out for, if you're monitoring the company and, what we're doing in 2026. And if I just take you back almost to the beginning of the the presentation to when Graham started, if I can get us back to the beginning.

58:44 And, really, it's the section here in the dotted line. Those are the milestones. Those are the things that you should be focusing and looking for us to deliver against to show that we are delivering continued, steps against our plans for rollouts both at the top there for Sterex in terms of getting integration into the Survtec development board, and that really unlocks our ability to work with Certi for some of their bigger customers that perhaps we haven't been able to interact with before, because that gets the Sterex battery integrated into a an electronic evaluation board that eases its adoption and evaluation by potential customers, through to then revenue starting from deliveries by customers.

59:33 And then on the Goliath side, those other steps that Greg once again talked through in terms of feedback from those 10 mPOWER cells that we talked about that we delivered, and will continue to be delivered. Landing on the feedback from that and how that feeds into the MVP as we go through the second half of the year. Graham, I don't know if there's anything you wanted to add. Thank you very much, Jason. Look, I think we've had a allotted hour. I see that there's still some more questions that we haven't yet had time to address. What I will do, though, is go through all of those questions for Jason. And if there are any that cover aspects that we haven't covered verbally, then we will draft an answer and they will be published along with the rest of our answers in due course.

1:00:27 So many thanks for your time today, guys. That's great. Thanks for updating investors today. Can I please ask investors not to close this session as you'll now be automatically redirected to provide your feedback in order that the management team can better understand your views and expectations? This will only take a few moments to complete, and I'm sure be greatly valued by the company. On behalf of the management team of ILIKA PLC, we'd like to thank you for attending today's presentation, and good afternoon to you all.