Himax Technologies (NASDAQ:HIMX) Q2 2020 Earnings Call

0:00 Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the High Max Technologies, Inc. Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, our participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. If anyone should require assistance during the call, please press star, then zero on your touchtone telephone. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Mark Schwallenberg from MZ Group. Thank you. Welcome, everyone, to HIMAX's second quarter 2020 earnings call. Joining us from the company are Mr. Jordan Wu, President and Chief Executive Officer, Ms. Jessica Pan, Chief Financial Officer, and Mr.

0:49 Eric Lee, Chief IRPR Officer. After the company's prepared remarks, we have allocated time for questions and a Q&A. If you have not yet received a copy of today's results, please email HIMX at mzgroup.us, access the press release on financial portals, or download a copy from HIMX's website at www.himx.com.tw. Before we begin the formal remarks, I'd like to remind everyone that some of the statements in this conference call, including statements regarding expected future financial results, and Industry Growth are forward-looking statements that involve a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual events or results to differ materially from those described in this conference call. Factors that could cause actual events or results to differ materially from those described in this conference call include, but are not limited to, general business and economic conditions, the state of the semiconductor industry, market acceptance and competitiveness of the driver and non-driver products developed by Hymax, Demand for End-Use Application Products, The Uncertainty of Continued Success in Technological Innovations, as well as other operational and market challenges and other risks described from time to time in the company's SEC filings, including those risks identified in the section entitled Risk Factors. In its form, 20F for the year ended December 31,

2:21 2019, filed with the SEC in March 2020. except for the company's full year of 2019 financials, which were provided in the company's 20F and filed with the SEC on March 25, 2020. The financial information included in this conference call is unaudited and consolidated and prepared in accordance with IFRS accounting. Such financial information is generated internally and has not been subjected to the same review and scrutiny, including internal auditing procedures and external audits by an independent auditor to which we subject our annual consolidated financial statements and may vary materially from the audited consolidated financial information for the same period. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. I will now turn the call over to Mr.

3:19 Eric Lee. Eric, the floor is yours. Thank you, Mark. and thank you everybody for joining us. My name is Eric Lin and I am the new Chief IRP Officer. Joining me are Jordan Wu, our CEO, and Jessica Pan, our newly appointed CFO. On today's call, we will first review the high-mass consolidated financial performance for the second quarter, followed by the third quarter 2020 outlook. Jordan will then give an update on the status of our business, after which we will take questions. We will review our financials on both IFRS and the non-IFRS basis.

4:07 The non-IFRS financial is to show share-based compensation and acquisition related charges. We preannounced the preliminary key financial results for the second quarter on July 6, 2020 with revenue, gross margin, and the EPS, all exceeding the guidance issued on May 7, 2020. Today, our reported results for the revenue, gross margin, and the EPS were all in line with the pre-announced results. For the second quarter, we recorded net revenues of $187.0 million A increase of 1.3% sequentially and an increase of 10.4% compared to the same period last year.

4:58 The 1.3% sequential increase of revenues exceeded our guidance of a slight decrease with 5% quarter-over-quarter high demand of large display drivers for monitors and greater than expected shipment volume for both smartphones and tablets. contributed to the better-than-guided sales. Gross margin was 21.0%, exceeding the prior guidance between 20.2% to 20.6% due to a more favorable product mix among large display products. IFI's profit per diluted ABS was 0.8 cents, exceeding our guidance of a loss of 1.5 cents to 0.5%.

5:48 , Strong Sales Improving Growth Margin, and the Lower-than-Expected Operating Plans Contributed to the Better-than-Expected Earnings Result. Non-IFRS Profits Per Diluted ABS lost $0.01, exceeding our guidance of a loss of $0.03 to $0.03. Revenue from large display driver was 59.5 million, down 3.1% sequentially and up 0.2 year-over-year. The sequential decline was driven by lower shipments into TV due to weakness in the global TV market, which are severely impacted by COVID-19 outbreak.

6:40 TV segment revenue decreased 21.7% year-over-year, of setting the weakness in the TV segment was the surge in the demand of telework and online education tools that spurred the sales in our monitor and notebook segments to an increase of around 60.0% year-over-year in Q2. Watch Panel Driver IT accounted for 31.8% of total revenue for the quarter. compared to 33.2% in the first quarter of 2020 and 35.0% a year ago. Running for small and medium-sized display drivers was 98.8 million, up 12.9% sequentially and 20.9% year-over-year.

7:34 The sequential growth was driven primarily by tablet and smartphone sales. are offset by a decrease in the automobile segment. The strong year-over-year growth was attributable to remarkable tablet sales, especially our TDI product for tablet. The segment accounted for 52.8% of total sales for the quarter, compared to 47.4% in the first quarter of 2020 and 48.3% a year ago. Sales into smartphones were up 10.9% sequentially but down 26.8% year-over-year. Our smartphone TDDI was up 69.0% sequentially and up 0.3% from the same period last year.

8:29 Strength in the smartphone TDDI segment reflected customers' aggressive new personal launch point with our TDDI solution. We reported earlier that the launch of several customers' new smartphones with RT-DDI solutions inside were delayed because of the pandemic. Many of those projects started mass production in Q2, leading to the strong sequential growth. Sales of traditional DDI seats for smartphones declined by 43.6% sequentially and were down 58.3% from the same period last year. Our traditional DDIC, which represents just 26.3% of the smartphone segment in Q2, declined significantly, a trend that was expected as we have repeatedly reported that the traditional DDIC was quickly being replaced by TDDI and AMLA for smartphone applications.

9:36 We expect to see a short-term spike of traditional DDIAC demand for smartphones during the third quarter, arising from orders from certain brand customers. However, again, following short-term fluctuations, we expect to see continuous decline in the traditional DDIAC for smartphones. The ongoing COVID-19 pandemic has eroded worldwide smartphone market demand with a more than 10.0 expected decline during 2020, according to several research institutes. Despite this challenging condition, we expect to see smartphone PPDI sales in the second half of 2020 due to a more diversified customer base, strong product roadmap, and enriched product portfolio.

10:32 were anticipated, boosted by the strong momentum in those traditional discrete driver IC and PPDI product lines. Tablet was the best performing product category of all in Q2, up 55.1% sequentially and 174.8% year-over-year. It represented around 23.0% of our total sales in Q2. We expect this product segment to continue to grow in the second half as the overall market for tablets look to remain robust thanks to work-from-home and online education demands.

11:17 In addition, there is new demand for tablet DPPI, of which the sales were up 83.2% sequentially in Q2. A thin-cell touch display is quickly becoming a new mainstream for Android tablets. Jordan will elaborate on the Outlook Tablet TPDI in a few minutes. Supported by demand for remote work and education, the revenue of traditional display driver IC for tablets delivered more than 40% sequential growth and more than 70.0 year-over-year in the second quarter. Specifically, we shipped more of the higher ASP IC with higher resolution and the cost packaging for large size green bezel tablets to a certain leading brand name.

12:13 As expected, all driver IC revenue for the automotive application was down 15.2% sequentially as a result of global production and the car sales coming to a certain halt in most of the world. However, A year-over-year basis, automotive driver IT revenue was up 0.1% despite the effects of the pandemic. Second quarter revenue from our non-driver business was 28.7 million, down 19.5% sequentially, but up 1.7% year-over-year. The sequential decrease was mainly due to significant shipment reduction of WLO products to an anchor customer and the low engineering fee income for other non-driver products.

13:05 Affecting the weakness in WLO, CMOS image sensors had higher revenue contribution from notebook and IP camera applications for remote work and online education purposes. Non-driver per dollar accounted for 15.4% of total revenue as compared to 19.4% in the first quarter of 2020 and 16.7% a year ago. Worth margin for the second quarter was 21.0%, down 170 basis points sequentially but up 150 basis points from the same period last year. The sequential decrease was caused by lower WLO shipment and weak automotive sales, two of our higher gross margin products.

13:56 The decline in the engineering fee received was also a factor behind the sequential decline year-over-year basis. It was up 1.5%, mainly due to a more favorable product mix with more shipments of WLO and TECOM products Our IFRS operating expenses were $37.6 million in the second quarter, up 0.9% from the preceding quarter, but down 3.3% from a year ago. The year-over-year decrease was a result of the decreased salary and the traveling expenses.

14:41 Non-IFRS operating expenses for the second quarter were 37.2 million, up 1.4% from the previous quarter, but down 3.2% from the same quarter in 2019. IFI's operating margin for the second quarter was 0.9%, down from 2.5% in prior quarter, but up from minus 3.5% in same period last year. The sequential decrease was mainly due to lower gross margin. The year-over-year improvement was primarily a result of higher sales, better gross margin, and lower operating expenses.

15:27 Second quarter non-IFIS operating profit was $2.1 million, or 1.1% of sales lower from non-IFIS operating profit of $5.3 million. or 2.9% of sales last quarter, but up from the minus 3.2% for the same period last year. IFRS profit for the second quarter was 1.4 million or 0.8 cents per diluted ADS compared to the profit of 3.3 million or 1.9 cents per diluted ADS in the previous quarter and the loss of 5.2 million or 3.0 cents per diluted ADS a year ago.

16:17 Second quarter non-IFRS profit was 1.7 million or 1.0 cents per diluted ADS compared to non-IFRS profit of 3.8 million or 2.2 cents per diluted ADS last quarter and the non-IFRS loss of 4.8 million. or 2.8 cents for diluted ADS for the same period last year. Turning to the balance sheet, we have 107.1 million of cash, cash equivalent and other financial assets as of the end of June 2020 to 122.4 million at the same time last year and 126.6 million a quarter ago.

17:09 The lower cash balance at the end of the second quarter was mainly a result of a repayment of unsecured borrowing of $9.4 million and an operating cash outflow of $9.2 million during the quarter. On top of the cash provision, restricted cash was $164.0 million at the end of the quarter, the same as the preceding quarter and a year ago. The restricted cash is mainly used to guarantee the secure short-term borrowing for the same amount. We have $68.4 million of unsecured short-term loans as of the end of Q2 compared to $67.9 million a quarter ago and $77.0 million at the same time last year.

18:03 Account receivables at the end of June 2020 were and the 6.1 million, up from 186.7 million last quarter and 176.2 million a year ago. DSO was 101 days at end of the quarter as compared to 96 days a year ago and 92 days at the end of last quarter. Inventory of the June 30, 2020 were 186.7 million and Hsieh-Hsieh. In response to an industrial-wide capacity shortage and in preparation for a strong Q3 forecast, we had to increase inventory levels during Q2.

19:02 We believe our inventory position is healthy, giving solid forecasts and a purchase orders received from customers. While we monitor our inventory carefully by working closely with our customers, we will continue to build up our inventory position aggressively in the foreseeable future given the prevailing severe foundry capacity shortage in the marketplace. We expect the inventory level to be significantly lower over the course of Q3. again because of very tight foundry capacity and strong customer demand. Net cash outflow from operating activities for the second quarter was $9.2 million as compared to an outflow of $17.7 million of the same period last year and an inflow of $10.6 million last quarter. Net cash outflow was mainly caused by more aggressive inventory build-up.

20:12 Second quarter capital expenditure amounted to $0.7 million versus $5.7 million a year ago and $3.1 million last quarter. As reported in the last earnings call, the CapEx for both new building construction and the 3D sensing capacity expansion were already concluded in the first quarter 2019. The second quarter CAPEX was for R&D related equipment for our IC design business. Before concluding my report of the second quarter results, I would like to provide an update on dividend. We typically make annual cash dividend payment at the middle of the year based on Pi Year's possibility.

21:04 Our board of directors has decided that we will not pay cash dividends in 2020. The decision was made with full consideration of HIMAC's 2019 financial results as well as 2020 operation and capital requirements. As of June 30, 2020, IMAX has 172.3 million ABS outstanding, little change from last quarter. On a fully diluted basis, the total number of ABS outstanding was 173.2 million. Q3, 2020 guidance.

21:51 At this point, we expect to deliver strong growth for the third quarter. We see very good momentum in our smartphone TTDI business against the backdrop of a depressed global smartphone market. Our tablet ICs, both discrete drivers and the TTDI, made a remarkable contribution to our first half results and are on track to carry a nice momentum into the second half. We also foresee decent growth for the notebook TV, and TCAM products for the next quarter. However, third quarter growth will be constrained due to an industrial-wide foundry shortage.

22:37 Similar to our usual practice before 2019, we grant ISUs rather than stock options on September 30 this year for employees' share-based compensation. As a reminder, we did not grant ISU last year. Rather, 2,226,690 units of stock option were granted to the team at an exercise price of $2.27 last September. All third-quarter IFIS earnings per diluted ABS guidance has taken into account the expected 2020 ISU grant, which subject to both approvals is now assumed to be around 3.0 million or 1.3 cents per diluted ABS, almost all of which will be vested and expensed immediately on September 30, the grant date.

23:39 The grant of IFUs would lead to higher third-quarter IFIs operating expenses compared to other quarters of the year. For the third quarter, we expect revenue to increase by around 20% sequentially. Gross margin is expected to be slightly down for second quarter, depending on our annual product mix. IFRS profit attributable to shareholder is expected to be in the range around 2.0 cents to 2.8 cents per fully diluted ADS. Now IFRS profit A treatable to shareholders is expected to be in the range of 3.5 cents to 4.3 cents per fully diluted ADS.

24:33 I will now turn the call over to Jordan. Jordan, the floor is yours. Thank you, Eric. While the COVID-19 does not look to be going away anytime soon, most countries have greatly eased lockdowns while still taking measures to contain the spread of the virus. Although the pandemic has brought major disruptions to the markets we operate in, many of our panel customers have been fast to react to the changing environment by quickly shifting their production to where the demands are. What I reflected in our business is the very strong sales for notebook and monitor markets in the first half, with the momentum now switching to TV and smartphone, while tablet is set to stay robust throughout the whole year.

25:30 While businesses have been largely reopened, a big part of the society still stays mostly at home, with much of the activity being operated online. The state at home economy has proven to benefit several consumer electronics markets to which we supply our products. Our demand visibility has therefore been much improved from the first half. However, as Eric mentioned earlier, the industry is going through a severe foundry capacity shortage right now. which is limiting the growth in almost all of our businesses, especially the smartphone and tablet QDDI as well as CMOS unit sensor products.

26:18 Separately, we are working towards capitalizing on our unique non-driver technologies where we have invested heavily in the past few years, notably 3D sensing for smartphone and smart door lock, as well as ultra-low power smart image sensing for products such as notebook, TV, doorbell, and air conditioner. I will elaborate on this a bit later. As indicated in our guidance, we now expect a strong top line growth for Q3. Our next goal is to improve our gross margin. This will be an important target for Q4. and next year.

27:04 Now let me take you through each of our major business areas. Let's start with the large panel driver IC business update. For the third quarter, we expect the large display driver IC revenue to decrease by a high single digit sequentially, mainly due to weak demands for monitor ICs where our customers are going through an inventory adjustment. after two quarters of strong shipments. However, TV and notebook ICs are picking up momentum in June 3. The TV market, our biggest large display sector, is experiencing a solid rebound lately with panel prices rising and set makers rushing in for inventory replenishment after quite a few sluggish quarters.

28:00 For the third quarter, we expect to deliver low teens growth for TV display driver, both sequentially and year-over-year. For the monitor segment, following a demand search in the previous two quarters, we expect customers' inventory to correct, resulting in a sequential decrease in Q3. In the notebook segment, as we mentioned earlier, We see continuous demand fueled particularly by enterprise and e-learning as we approach the back-to-school season. Our business is a high-end monitor and new generation no-power, no-book products where we are the market leader in DDIC and T-Con will benefit significantly from this trend.

28:53 Now let's turn to the small and medium-sized decentralized business. beginning with an update on our smartphone segment. Our TPDI product roadmap as well as new design wins with end customers positioned Himex well to gain market share throughout 2020. The pandemic has negatively weighed on both smartphone production and consumer demand. While 2020 remains a challenging year for the smartphone market, China is already gradually Recovering, and other countries are moving in the same direction. Based on the current pipeline, we expect to more than double our smartphone TVDR shipments during Q3 compared to the previous quarter.

29:43 The smartphone market continues to embrace new technologies, moving towards higher frame rate display to enable better screen viewing and gaming experience. Our high frame rate products have been adopted by several top-tier customers and have begun mass production in Q2. As discussed previously, the major development we have seen in the marketplace is the increasing utilization of the OLED display for smartphones. This is due to extended AMOLED capacity as well as increased demand for other display fingerprint technology that is only available in the AMOLED display currently. We are encouraged by the progress we have made and are collaborating closely with leading panel makers across China for AMOLED product development.

30:38 Additionally, we have made good progress in order for AMOLED display drive ICs with leading Chinese panel makers. We believe AMOLED driver IC will soon become one of the major growth engines for small panel driver IC business. Turning to the tablet business, we expect our tablet IC to be a major growth area throughout 2020 with a strong focus for both discrete driver IC and TDDI in the third quarter. Tablet demand is picking up strongly. in the wake of the COVID-19 outbreak that is fueling remote work and learning.

31:24 As mentioned in previous earnings polls, Timex pioneered the TDDI solution for tablets and is the dominant supplier for literally all leading Android brand names. Tablet TDDI, just two quarters into mass production, already accounted for around 37% our tablet IC sales and if looked at as a separate product category represented almost 9% of our total revenues in Q2. We expect an increase of more than 20% sequentially for our tablet TDDI next quarter with the momentum to continue into Q4. Tablet in-sale TDDI. offers the benefits of lower cost and a simplified supply chain and represents an easier manufacturing process for panel makers.

32:20 For consumers, it offers a lighter weight, slimmer and more stylish design, as well as improved touch accuracy, which adds the option for active stylists. Similar to smartphones, The demand for traditional dispatch RYC for tablets is also being eroded by in-sensitivity DEI, but at a more moderate pace. For the tablet segment, we expect to deliver another sequential growth of low teens with shipments to almost quadruple, but of the same time last year. Again, this is thanks to the sudden surge of tablet demand arising from the pandemic and the linked TEDI revenue that did not exist last year.

33:11 It is worth highlighting that while the tablet market is smaller than smartphone, the ASP and number of units for TEDI in each tablet are both higher than those for smartphone. Turning to the automotive sector, the global automotive sector has been badly hit by the COVID-19, and the market outlook remains uncertain during the second half of 2020. HMS commands more than 30% of the global automotive DDIC market, and inevitably this business is impacted by the slow overall demand. However, all the sequential revenue was down 15.2% in Q2.

33:57 Revenue for the first half was still up 3.3% year-over-year. Our technology leadership in the automotive display market has helped us continue to gain ground with customers. We expect to deliver a mid-single-digit sequential increase in the third quarter. Then we will remain the leader in this market as the major developing trends have not changed amid short-term challenges. Backed by our leading market position in new technologies for automotive display, we have a strong and positive long-term outlook for the automotive segment. We are the primary partner for most of the world's automotive panel makers to enable new technologies.

34:49 Specifically, Hymex has been selected by many leading Tier 1 and OEMs for the upcoming first launches of vehicles using displays with TDDI technology. While we only expect a small volume of shipments in 2020, we anticipate meaningful full production shipments of automotive TDDI as we move into 2021. For the third quarter, revenue for the small and medium-sized driver IC is expected to increase by over 40% sequentially. Now, let me share some of the progress we made on the non-driver IC businesses in the last quarter.

35:35 First, on the WLO business. The second quarter WLO revenue declined sequentially due to lower shipment to an anchor customer. The factory to which we usually ship this product was ordered to shut down temporarily by the local government as part of their disease containment measures. However, our shipment to the anchor customer recorded a nice growth compared to the same quarter last year. We continue to engage several strategic customers and or partners to develop new projects for DOE diffuser and optical lens solutions for future generation products, covering a wide range of different applications.

36:24 Next is an update on the 3D sensing business. In smartphone applications, most customer inquiries and design projects are moving towards TOS 3D sensing for a world-facing camera that features long-range and wider Angle Coverage for AR, 3D modeling, and gaming features. With TOF, we provide optical components and all projectors, which are critical in the performance of the whole TOF solution. In this business, we have partnerships with TOF sensor providers, laser vendors, and smartphone makers, and are engaged for various stages of product development for next-generation smartphones.

37:15 For non-smartphone 3D sensing engagements, we focus on smart door lock and payment system applications where we provide structured light-based 3D sensing total solutions. To broaden our market reach, we also offer our market-leading 3D decoder ASIC as an individual component for integration into other systems. Through such partnerships, we are able to reach out to markets that we are not yet familiar with, such as industrial robotics and access control systems. 3D sensing remains one of the main growth drivers for us. Now switching gears to the wide-size smart sensing solution.

38:03 As I mentioned in the last earnings call, in order for our wide-side technology to reach its maximum potential, we have adopted a flexible business model whereby, in addition to a total solution where we provide processor, image sensor, and AI algorithm, we also offer those individually as key parts in order to address the market's different needs and widen our market coverage. For customers, who own their own algorithm and wish to develop their own applications. We can provide a large low-power AI processor and image sensor with our algorithm. The customers can piggyback on our technology and focus their efforts on bringing AI to edge devices by transforming a wide range of center data, including video, sound, movement, gesture, among others, into actionable information, all with extremely low power consumption.

39:09 For those consumers slash partners whose main business is to provide AI processors, who can offer our ultra-low-power image sensors without our AI processor and algorithm. For the total solution offering, we launched a computer vision human detection MB solution which has been well-organized and is being incorporated into the next-generation premium notebook models of key OEMs and ODMs. Our total solutions are also being integrated into a wide range of other applications, such as TV, doorbell, door lock, air conditioner, et cetera, by engaging leading players in those industries.

39:59 For the other types of business model where we only offer key parts, our strategy is to actively participate in ecosystems led by the world's leading AI and cloud service providers. A recent illustration of this strategy is an announcement for the collaboration with Google, whereby running on Google's TensorFlow Lite for microcontrollers kernel, we provided our AI processor with CMN, or convolutional neural network-based SDK, or software development kit, for developers to generate deep learning inferences with video and voice commands data to boost overall system performance while consuming extremely low power.

40:50 Being an official partner of Google's TensorFlow, we get to enjoy the enormous network of its ecosystem participants. Now, over a month after the announcement, we are already receiving inquiries from large corporations and individual AI developers alike with application ideas covering a broad range of industries. We are very encouraged by the enthusiastic discussions about possible Wi-Fi applications that are taking place in various user groups for emerging AI market ideas. Last but not least, we are working closely with other leading AI and cloud service providers worldwide to incorporate Wi-Fi AI solution into their ecosystems in an attempt to reach the broadest market coverage possible.

41:46 We are extremely excited about these developments. Now, turning to our CMOS image sensor data update. Due to the accelerated adoption of work from home and online education, demand for CMOS image for notebook and IP camera will remain strong during the third quarter. Our industry-first two-in-one CMOS image sensor has penetrated into the laptop ecosystem for the most stylish, super-slim bezel design with three types of popular application features, namely RGB sensor for video conference, RGB IR sensor for Windows Hello facial recognition, and or Asha Low Power and AI Computer Vision for Human Presence Detection.

42:36 We expect to see small volume in certain premium notebook models in late 2020, with small volume expected in the coming years. For the traditional human vision segment, we also see strong demand in multimedia applications such as card recorders, surveillance drones, Home Appliances, and Consumer Electronics, among others. Lastly, on Aircos, we continue to focus on AR garble devices and head-up display for automotive. Many of our industry-leading customers have demonstrated their state-of-the-art products, including holographic, SUD, AR glasses, and LIVAR system with high-mesh air-crossing technology inside.

43:25 Our technology leadership and proven manufacturing expertise have made us a preferred partner for customers in these emerging markets and their ongoing engineering projects in AR goggles and HUD for automotive applications. For non-JYZ business, we expect revenue to increase by low teens sequentially in the third quarter. That concludes my report for this quarter. Thank you for your interest in HIMAX. We appreciate you joining today's call, and we are now ready to take questions. At this time, if you have a question, please press star to the number one under telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key.

44:11 We ask that you please limit your question to two questions. And your first question comes from Tristan Guerra with Baird. Hi. Great call. Would you be able to quantify the revenue impact of the foundry shortages on your Q3 guidance? Foundry shortage. It's almost across the board, actually, covering large and small displays. What happens is for mature technologies very severely for 8-inch, but even for 12-inch.

45:01 With the 5G smartphone and other things coming up, foundry capacity, we believe, will be a long-term phenomenon. Foundry capacity shortage will be a long-term phenomenon. So we made the right decision to develop and new and major foundry partner being PSMC back in 2008, 2018 for TDDI and that was the month of its decision we met at the time because without that we wouldn't have been able to see the growth. But I think foundry capacity shortage unfortunately and fortunately in fact is here to stay and It's not going away anytime soon, we believe.

45:54 I don't know if there are any more specifics you want to know about. Okay, now that helps. I was just wondering, you know, by maybe what percentage higher your revenue guidance would be if you were able to access, you know, all the capacity that you need. Much higher. I don't know if that's good news or bad news, but the fact is it's going to be much higher, especially for smartphone and tablet TDDi. So let me just take this opportunity to elaborate just a little bit. Again, the most battery impacted areas are smartphone and the tablet TDDi.

46:47 For both, we use the same pool of pale-inch foundry. Q3, the shortage is severe, and Q4, also very, very bad. Now, with the limited capacity available to us, we have to make a very difficult allocation choice. The guiding principle for such allocation choice is we will give preferred allocation to where we are the main source or even the sole source. And if you follow this guidance, then inevitably our allocation will favor TAPLIC more than smartphone because with TAPLIC we have a very large market share and we mentioned in our prepared remarks We are the sole dominant or major vendor to literally all the non-android tech finance.

47:56 If you look at Q3, we expect to see a very strong growth for small and medium-sized market together. But the tablet growth is higher than a smartphone. And if you look at Q4, where our location will be skewed even more towards tablets because the shortage is just pretty severe. So Q4, in all likelihood, will see very, very strong template growth again for TDDI, but probably some decline in smartphone because of allocation choices.

48:43 Overall, however, our allocated total foundry capacity for TDDI 12-inch for Q4 will be higher than that for Q3, but certainly not enough for us to pick up all the orders. I hope that any comment is helpful. Yes, definitely very useful. And then just the last question on the same topic is, do you feel that your competition is facing the same issues and as such you don't expect market share shift because of you being impacted more from a capacity access standpoint than your competitors?

49:30 Yes, we believe so. Based on my customers and some of the key vendors who get to see many of my competitors' production or working process status, we are probably one of the players whose position is better off compared to some of our peers. So, yes, I think it's an industry-wide phenomenon. It hits everybody. Okay, thanks again, very useful. Thank you, Tristan. Again, for any questions, please press star, then the number 1 and your telephone keypad.

50:37 And your next question comes from Jerry Su with Credit Suisse. Yeah, hi. Thanks for taking my question. I'm just curious, I mean, for the third quarter guidance, it seems to be pretty strong, but the gross margins still remain at the similar range versus the previous quarter. I'm just wondering, because when we look at the gross margin profile of HIMAX, In the past, it could go to around at least low to mid-20s. I'm just wondering why in the next quarter, even with the growth in the top five, the growth margin is still not able to see a more meaningful uplift?

51:26 That's a very good question, Jerry. First, certainly it has everything to do with the product mix. If you look at our gross margin across some of our major segments, right now the product segments enjoying the higher gross margins are automotive tri-YC, automotive tri-YC, and Wu, however, depending on our capacity utilization.

52:16 Among the lower gross margin segments include smartphone. It's smartphone because of the rather severe competitive situation out there. Q3 compared to Q2, we are not growing because Q3 is similar to Q2. The smartphone percentage, especially for TVDI, has grown remarkably from Q1, and that is actually the main reason to explain why the gross margin for both quarters are lower than that of Q1. Also, in Q1, if you recall, our WO shipment was very, very strong.

53:04 and it declined rather significantly in Q2 and Q3. And again, as I said earlier, WHO enjoyed a good gross margin, especially when the shipment is high and therefore the capacity utilization is also high. And also, the third reason I think is the rather sluggish automotive segment overall. And again, automotive historically and still now and still in any foreseeable future will be among the highest growth margin sectors for us. So that kind of explains the low growth, the unsatisfactory growth margin for Q2 and also Q3.

53:52 I mentioned in my prepared remarks that raising growth margin is now our short-term goal. and that covers Q4 and certainly the whole next year. And I think we have a fairly good degree of confidence that our gross margin will recover. I think in general, foundry tightness, as you pointed out, is in general good for design house gross margin. So I think we're going to take advantage of that firstly. Also, I mentioned earlier, because of allocation decisions, in Q4, tech will grow strongly, while smartphones can even suffer a decline. So for that reason, I think Q4 cross-module will also grow, among other reasons.

54:48 And if you look at next year, we do have some new products in the pipeline, which upon mass production will enjoy very, very strong gross margin, much, much higher than our corporate average. Stuff like wide size especially, and certainly 3D sensing as well. Okay, got it. And then I want to follow up on WHO. I'm just wondering when can we see a more meaningful volume recovery for this business going forward? So far, our business has been very concentrated on one anchor customer. So for that reason, I'm afraid I really can't comment too much, because that kind of implies the anchor customer's activity, rightly or wrongly. So I'm not going to do that.

55:58 What we are working very hard towards is to diversify our customer base and application. And certainly, it involves a lot of R&D and customer engagement, so the lead time will be required. But we talked about our TOF engagement where we are engaged by you know, the smartphone end customers, the world's leading sensor vendors, and some of the world's leading laser vendors. So we are kind of working together trying to put together some good solutions, especially for enjoy market.

56:47 So, you know, exactly that is going to happen I can't really say because it's up to the end customer, meaning the smartphone makers, to decide. But I can tell you we are making exciting progress. Can we see some volume production next year? Possibly. But nothing is certain in the pipeline yet, I have to say. But I can also say the The development and also the performance thereby is looking very exciting. We are also expanding our coverage to other applications, including, very notably, automotive, with which, again, where we are working with some of the leading, say, laser drivers, among others, trying to penetrate to start with, for example, in automotive in-cabin fencing, in-cabin 3D fencing. So we are making good progress there as well.

57:58 And also, we've been a good customer. We have quite a number of exciting but challenging joint development projects. So if you look You know, slightly longer time horizon, I think this is a very, very exciting area where we can enjoy tremendous growth, but I just can't comment much on the very short term. Okay, I think that's good for me. Thank you. Thank you, Jerry. There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand the call back to Jordan Wu for closing remarks. As a final note, Eric Lee, our chief IRP officer, will maintain investor marketing activities and continue to attend investor conferences. We will announce the details as they come about.

58:57 Thank you and have a nice day. That concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.