Garware Hi-tech Films (NSE:GRWRHITECH) Q1 2027 Earnings Call

0:00 Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Garware Hi-Tech Films Limited q one FY twenty seven earnings conference call hosted by Go India Advisors. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Garima Singla from Go India Advisors. Thank you, and over to you, ma'am. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I'm Garima Singla, and it's my pleasure to welcome you on behalf of Garware Hi-Tech Films Limited. Thank you for joining us today for Q1 FY 'twenty seven Earnings Conference Call. This call is being hosted by Go India Advisors.

0:50 Please note that today's discussion may include certain forward looking statements. Therefore, they must be viewed in conjunction with the risks that the company faces. Today on the call, we are joined by Mr. Deepak Joshi, Director, Sales and Marketing. I now invite Deepak sir to present the company's business outlook and performance, after which we will open the floor for Q and A. Thank you, and over to you, sir. Thank you, Garima. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Before we begin, I would like to express our heartfelt condolences on the passing of Mrs. Sarita Garware Ramsay, our beloved joint MD. On behalf of the Board and everyone at Garware Hi-Tech Films, we extend our deepest sympathies to the Garware family and pray for strength and peace during this difficult time.

1:44 I would also like to extend my warm wishes to all of you and your families on the occasion of India's seventy ninth Independence Day. As we celebrate our nation's remarkable journey of progress, resilience and innovation, we remain committed to contributing to India's manufacturing excellence and strengthening its position as a global leader in high value specialty fields. I hope you have had a chance to review our financial results and investor presentation shared earlier. Today is a proud moment for everyone at Garware Hi-Tech Films. The quarter we are reporting today is the culmination of years of disciplined execution, continuous innovation and a clear long term vision.

2:34 Over the last several years, we have consciously transformed Garware from a manufactured manufacturing led company into a global technology driven specialty film company. We invested ahead of demand, strengthened our R and D capabilities, expanded our specialty product portfolio, build deeper customer relationship and established a differentiated direct to consumer platform. Every strategic decision has been guided by one objective to build a stronger, more resilient and a more profitable business capable of delivering sustainable long term value. I'm delighted to share that this strategy continues to deliver. Q1 FY twenty twenty seven marks the strongest quarter in Garware Hi-Tech Films' history.

3:25 During this quarter, we delivered our highest ever quarterly revenues, EBITDA, profit before tax and profit after tax since the company's inception. More importantly, what gives us more confidence is not just the scale of growth, but the quality of our earnings. This performance has been driven by structural improvements in the business, including a richer specialty product mix, stronger customer engagement, better realization and a continued operating leverage. Revenue from operation for the quarter stood at INR633 crore, growing 28 year on year basis. EBITDA increased 56% year on year to 192 crore, with EBITDA margin expanding by five forty four basis points to a record of 30.30%, crossing the 30% milestone for the first time in company's history and significantly exceeding the upper end of our long term guidance range.

4:33 Profit before tax increased 60% year on year to INR176 crore, while profit after tax also grew 60% year on year to INR133 crore. PAT margins expanded by approximately four twenty basis points to 21, reflecting the strength of our specialty led business model, disciplined execution and improving operational capital. Importantly, we do not view this as a result of one exceptional quarter, rather it reflects the structural transformation of our business over many years. On the business front, demand remained healthy across our key specialty segments, particularly Sun Control Films and Paint Protection Films, supported by improving demand across our key export markets and continued momentum in India. Innovation continues to remain at the heart of our strategy.

5:33 During this quarter, we launched our detailing kit for our existing gas network, which has the detailing studio to complete their product basket and increase the wallet share. Our specialty portfolio with sustainable TPU based UV printable films for complex applications, PDLC specialty films enabling privacy on demand and graphic solutions expanding our value added offerings across automotive and architectural applications continues to gain traction. We also continue to deepen our engagement with global automotive OEMs and other strategic customers across geographies. While we do not comment on customer specific engagements, we remain encouraged by the opportunities emerging across both OEM and the aftermarket channels.

6:25 Our strategy of moving closer to the end customer is progressing well and remains one of the key differentiators of our business model. Globally, we continued expanding our global application studio network with 14 international studios across Middle East and The United States, strengthening our direct customer engagement in key export markets. We are also witnessing encouraging momentum across Middle East, which continues to remain an important growth market for our specialty film business. However, currently, our supply chain remains impacted due to war. In India, application studio network has now expanded to over two fifty locations, while Garware Home Solution continues to scale steadily with nine studios currently operational.

7:14 We remain firmly on track to expand this network to 50 studios by end of FY twenty twenty seven. We believe our direct to consumer platform enables us to strengthen customer engagement and has brand visibility and improve installation quality and create long term pricing power. While we continue to invest in expanding this ecosystem, these investments are expected to strengthen our competitive positioning and support sustainable margin expansion over the long term. Beyond automotive applications, we continue to see significant opportunities in architectural film across commercial buildings, residential projects and energy efficient infrastructure, supported by increasing awareness around energy efficiency, sustainability and TPM premium glazing services.

8:07 On the manufacturing side, our strategic expansion projects continue to progress as planned. The TPU project remains on track for commissioning during the third quarter of FY twenty twenty seven. Beyond strengthening our paint protection film business, this investment enhances our technology platform and creates opportunities to develop a wider range of next generation TPO based specialty products over the coming years. In addition, last quarter, we announced an investment of INR 192 crore towards a new state of the art Sun Control Film manufacturing line, incorporating advanced robotics and automation. This facility will lead will add approximately 1,200 lakh square feet of annual capacity and is expected to commence commercial production in H1 FY twenty twenty eight, supporting both domestic and export growth opportunities.

9:04 Another important development during the quarter has been DGTR's recommendation for antidumping duty on TPU based paint protection film imports from China. We believe this represents an important step towards creating a more level playing field for domestic manufacturers and further strengthens our long term growth potential of India's specialty food industry. Our balance sheet continues to remain one of our greatest strengths despite investing over INR 700 crores towards strategic expansion over the past few years, the company remains debt free with a healthy cash and liquid investment balance of INR $8.50 crore. Looking ahead, we remain highly confident in the structural growth opportunity for Specialty Films globally.

9:54 Accordingly, we reaffirm our guidance of achieving INR INR INR 2,500 crores in revenue for FY 'twenty seven, while maintaining EBITDA margin in the range of 25% plusminus 2%. While this quarter margin performance has been exceptional, our focus remains on building a business capable of delivering sustainable industry leading profitability across business cycles rather than optimizing for any single quarter. Over the medium term, we continue to target 15% to 20% revenue CAGR supported by capacity expansion, increasing contribution from value added products and backward integration through the TPU project, the new project introductions and continued expansion of our direct to consumer platform and disciplined execution.

10:48 Before I conclude, I would like to sincerely thank our customers, channel partners, employees, shareholders and all our stakeholders for their continued trust and unwavering support. The best quarter in our company's history is not something we see as a destination. It is a reflection of the foundation we have built over many years. The numbers we have delivered this quarter give us confidence. The capabilities we have built give us conviction. And that is why we firmly believe that the best years of Garware Hi-Tech Films are still ahead of us. Thank you once again. Over to a moderator, please. Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session.

11:50 The The first Films question is from the line of Viraj Parekh from Garware Congratulations on a good set of numbers. Just a question on gross margins. This quarter, we had exceptionally high margins at around 60 odd percent. And just wanted to understand a bit more on that, if you can help me understand. Is that something be a steady state number going ahead? Or will it normalize to the 54, 55% you've seen in the past?

12:38 Yes. Thank you on your kind words. And this I mean margin, if I talk of EBITDA margin 30% plus, we achieved in the past, the best is around 27%, right? Even in this quarter, we have not there is no exceptional thing like I think... I'm sorry to interrupt, sir. My question is on gross margin, not the EBITDA one. Yes. Even on the gross margin, there is nothing exceptional. I mean, this has come purely from the performance and I mean, from the purely performance of the company, right? There is no, I would say, any item which is exceptional, like refunds for tariff or something. It is purely from the performance of the company.

13:29 And we expect similar margins like we have given the guidance on EBITDA margin, which will be ultimately from gross margins only. So I hope we will be in this range only depending on the quarters, like Q1 usually is very good, Q2 is similar, Q3 will go a little lower and Q4 back on this thing. Overall, the margin percentage like we have seen, we will be in this range only. This is nothing exceptional on these numbers. So generally, even a product mix can lead to better margins. I was just looking a bit back, q two of last year also, we had a similar product mix of CPD and IPD. However, the situation, geo... Geopolitically was a bit different. But that time, I think, the margins were a little bit subdued at 53.

14:20 So it's just a little bit difficult to understand that there is a 60% is only on product mix. Or is it there's a is there like a very high value added product have we sent sold in this quarter? Ishiland just elaborate a bit more, because I've still... You are right. It depends on the product mix. So three things work for us, like the summer in the quarter one is the best quarter for us in terms of summer. But quarter two also remains similar. So I can say whenever there is a more SunControl high IR products, we will always get better margins. That is number one. And second thing is I mean, there has been companies' direction since last four, five years, we are continuously moving towards higher end products. That means we are working towards like the products which give you the highest heat rejection up to 99% the products. These products sale gets increased, right?

15:22 So you will get better margins. At the same time, the strategic focus of the company is towards architectural business. If you really see like from 5% margin sorry, 5% revenue percentage of architectural is today stands more than 25%. So such kind of high end products always lead to good margins. And we have been very consistent in saying that our aim is to go towards the products, which gives more value to the consumer. We do not want to do like a commoditized sun control. Even on the sun control, we are talking to higher ends where the heat rejection go up to 99%. So all such products, there is a big product basket, which is getting increased of these products, and we'll continue to see these kind of numbers in future.

16:13 Thank you for that help. And just a last question. If you can help me understand how has Garware Home Solutions picked up? I know it's recently started, but just wanted to color on how the market is looking at, what are the numbers. And along with it, if you just give me an idea of last year of INR2100 crores, what was SCF and and what was the similar contribution this quarter for these lines? Yes. So last year, actually Sun Control business largely remained around 48% to 50% and balanced 25% from and industrial product. This quarter last year, I'm talking. And this quarter, Sun Control was around 55%.

17:00 And was 20% and balance was industrial product. Little lower because Sun Control really grew fast, that was one. And second thing, we faced some challenges in the raw material supply chain because of Middle East issue. Unfortunately, one of our ship got stuck in Jabali. So we got we received some of the consignment late and that's why some we delayed I mean, some of the products were delayed to from Q1 to Q2. But SunControl remains largely the number one product for us. And from the Garware Home Solutions? Yes. Garware Home Solutions has just started. I mean, we speak, we have nine studios, But the concept, because there are a lot of work going on that segment, where we want to create a new market for we want like every home to have these kind of products because they are really adding value to the consumer. So when we do these kind of things, it's a new market creation for us. It's not something if you have a home, you cannot go anywhere and buy some films for you, like you can buy a glass whenever you want, but film you cannot buy.

18:19 Because even in the advanced markets like U. S. And Europe, we have seen these kind of difficulties. So that's why the company thought of a different concept where you can do all those things directly online, right? For that, lot of work has been done, a lot of, I would say, market creation is being done through digital media, order now from system, all those work is going on. So it's very steady, but it is we expect that these numbers of number of studios to go 50 by end of this year. And I can't give you as of now the guidelines on the total revenue, though we have our targets in place, but these are going to go substantially big in our product portfolio.

19:04 So we want to do something which nobody has done into the market till date in the film size, especially on the home or the home buyers. So will this be a B2B or B2C focused... It is one business and B2C business, sir. It is direct to consumer. Got it. And sir, any idea on U. S. Demand right now in Middle East? That's the last question, like how are we looking at things on the ground and what are In these U. S, I mean, global in U. S. Sales through e commerce is continuously rising for And for our dealer, distributor and order flow is really strong that we have seen in Q1, I think that is one of the reasons you see very strong numbers for us because we focus where it really makes sense into the market.

19:54 And U. S. Market is really doing great, and we expect that continue to do so. And Middle East, actually growth and demand is really big. But unfortunately we are facing some challenges sometimes to on the deliveries because its situation is every week there is a change in the situation. But we expect we are talking here, I mean three year, five year horizon, these two are like one of the fastest growing market for us, including India. Thank you so much. All the very best. I'll get back in queue. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Aman from Stallion Asset. Please go ahead. Hello. I hope I'm audible, sir. Yes, you are.

20:40 Yes. Thank you so much for the opportunity and congrats on a great set of numbers in a challenging environment. I have two questions, sir. Number one, if you can update us on the tariff refund claims, how much has been received so far? And what's the balance amount we can expect going ahead? Yes. So the quarter one where we are discussing currently, there was no impact of tariff. I mean, we didn't receive anything in the quarter one. However, we have received roughly 30% to 40% of what we are expecting in quarter two. And this will be taken into quarter two performance, right? So quarter one performance is purely on the company's real natural performance. So there is no change on that. So that's one thing.

21:28 And I think we hope like entire refund will be done in quarter two of this year. Understood. Got it. And my second question, sir, with our D2C initiative gaining traction globally and also on the domestic front with the support of antidumping duty, our premium product mix are improving and just being a manufacturing B2B company as well, now we are seeing evolvement of consumer facing branded as a share improving for us. How should we see the structurally growth for the next two, three years for us? Are we entering into a higher growth phase sustainably, I would say, yes, because like we said, we are very confident of INR 2,500 crore plus for this year. And going forward also, we will maintain 15% to 20% guidance, which we have given. So we can say in three to four years, we are going to touch INR 3,500 crore. I mean, this is our estimation, right, based on the current situation.

22:37 And our margins will definitely be 25% plus on these things. It can go we'll try definitely to go higher and to reach the current numbers because this has been very normal what we achieved this quarter. So similar things will continue for us. Now D2C, why I mean, let me tell you, this company is now we are thinking, we have built a manufacturing excellence. We have R and D excellence. Now then what happens is you compete you continue to compete with your peers, like you know, you I can't name them, but take up top three companies in U. S, right? People compete with them. But our strategy is different now because if we keep on competing, we will get share and sometimes we lose also. So we are now trying to create a different market for us. That means when we compete, for example, there is a film called safety film, right? There are standards of that, A class, B class and some other class. So what we are trying to make a class, which is not made by anyone till this time, right? It gives you a very different experience from what we got into the past, right? So these kind of creation into the market is making a very unique proposition for Garware, right? So this kind of awareness and I would say creating our own market will really help, especially in U. S, Middle East and India markets, people, there is a very low awareness into architectural products.

24:09 So we are now trying to compete these things even with the glass companies like what they do and what we do. So we need to create market for that. We can't just keep on taking share from others and grow because there will be a limited growth. If you want to really grow INR 3,500 crore and beyond that, we need to think differently where we give alternative solution to the class. So that kind of thinking company is working on. The growth, whatever comes naturally is great. But on top of that, we are creating these kind of environment within our company, manufacturing setup to that kind of growth. And we are very confident that we will be successful in that because we are already seeing this kind of positive traction towards this growth.

24:56 Got it. Got it. Super. And sir, just one last thing on the TPU line, When it gets commissioned in Q3, how much more margin expansion we should expect in FY 2028? Yes. So we have given a guidance of 1.5% to 2% for after this line comes into stream, of course, for FY 'twenty eight. So the guidance is already given to that. But our aim is to make newer products out of TPU, which, let me tell you, out of this, three products are already in target and some of them have already been, I can say, trials and discussions have happened. So as soon as the line comes, we are ready to take it off. Understood. Understood, sir. Thank you so much and all the best. Thank you.

25:49 Thank you. The next question is from the line of Rahul Jain from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Yeah. Thanks for the opportunity. Sir, condolences on loss of Sarita, ma'am. And, of course, very good set of numbers, and the journey has been amazing for the last three years. So congratulations to the entire team at Garware Hi, sir. My question is regarding one, the first question. You mentioned architecture trends has already crossed more than 25%. So basically, that means in this year and this is the quarter one, I'm assuming. So this year, we are already in the run rate of around 600 crores. Is that a fair assumption?

26:35 So going ahead, how do we look at architecture film, which is supposed to be our highest margin product? Yes. So like I said, the company's focus is towards that only. So we are just trying to make an infrastructure where we do compete with the I mean, philosophy is where there is a glass, there can be a film, right? I mean, if it is a high rise, it can be a safety film. If it is like sun facing, there can be a sun control film. If it is interior, there will be a decorative film. And if it is a privacy, there will be a PDLC film. If it is a bathroom, there will be a different kind of film, which protects glass from shattering. So we are now working on this strategy that wherever we get opportunity, we directly compete with that, like a glass and a glass with film. What difference does it make in terms of value proposition, in terms of the heat rejection, in terms of UV rejection and ultimately the impact on environment when you produce a glass and when you produce a simple glass with a film. So we are really, really getting very encouraging results. So this remains the number one portfolio for us in terms of growth.

27:51 So where the company is fully focused on. And these architectural business is really supported by TPU as well, where we have various kind of architectural products made by TPU, which we will see shortly, maybe from next year onwards, we'll see traction of these products from next year. So sir, going ahead with your TPU expansion getting completed in say October and whereby 25% of it will be for external sales being used And then HCF also coming in the first half of next year. Plus the line, which came in September 25, given what you have mentioned in the answer to one of the previous participant question.

28:38 So can we look at the because of all these expansions going full throttle, do we expect INR 3,000 crores of around top line for FY 'twenty eight, 3,000 Yes. Crores We can see, we are here to definitely, I have given you the guidance that in next three to four years, we will be somewhere around INR 3,500 crores. So of course, in the journey between maybe two years after we can see INR 3,000 crore number that is in horizon, yes. Sure. And what is the current utilization of sir? Utilization. Yes. The utilization of the new capacity?

29:24 Yes. So old is running almost 100% and the new one is running at the rate of roughly 60%. We lost some volume last time last quarter because of some delays in the shipping because, I would say, ship got stuck in Jabali because of the war, I mean, it got stuck. So that's why we lost some of the volume, but that we will recover in the coming quarter. Sure. Okay. Thank you so much, sir, and all the best. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Svecha Jain from A and S. Wealth. Please go ahead. Hi, sir. Thank you for giving this opportunity.

30:09 Sir, am I audible? Yes. Yes. Okay. So typically for architectural product, what is the margin? Because they are the highest margin products. Right? They are highest if you talk of the top to top. That means if you talk of very high end IR rejection on automotive versus architectural, yes, they are the highest one. But they also have like the products, which are like you just want to cover your building and all. So if you talk of like apple to apple, same kind of properties, yes, this is the highest margin product. Okay. So what I assume is overall the architectural segment that we will be doing, the margins would definitely be north of 25%? Yes. Definitely. So the reason I'm asking is because, you know, you have guided us a margin of... You know, you're saying that we maintain a 25% margin, but what I understand is, and correct me if I'm wrong, a is architectural segment will obviously command a margin of 25 seg... 25% higher blended overall.

31:16 The TPU line that is going to come, that will add one and a half percent of extra margin. Plus, I believe the products that we do in the TPU will also be some specialized product, which will also, I don't know, you know, they will also themselves command some higher margin. Plus the new SCF line will also... It's an automated robotic line. We'll also increase your efficiency there. So I I feel 25% margin, you are just being too conservative. Am I correct on that? We we are happy to say that we are conservative because we have seen times when something unexpected comes into the market. But definitely, if everything remains good, we definitely are going to perform what we have performed now. Because like I said, this people are like many people anticipated like these margins might be because of some exceptional thing has come from U. S. And other thing. That's why I clarified this is purely a performance, nothing else.

32:22 So of course, we will when I said 25% plusminus 2%, so 27%, 28% seems to be a very logical number for us. But since we have given the guidance, we'd like to maintain that. Definitely, we'll... We will perform better than what we have said. Okay. And, sir, this SCF of $1.91 crores, what would be the asset term? Peak revenue that we can do from the SCS line? That will be roughly $505.50 crores. $505.50 crores. Top line. Okay. And then from this SCS, sir, how much we plan to do for the automated, and how much we plan to do for the home solutions, like a broad mix? See, ma'am, what happens is these lines normally...

33:12 We have already five lines. Right? This will be like six and then we have lines. So we have like many. So what we do is we focus our team, sales team focuses on their own because we do not have any mix. Like I said, our sales team in terms of architecture is very different from automotive because their way of thinking, their, like I said, where we need to compete is like very different segment. We need to think of a glass manufacturer kind of thing. So that's so when we go into the manufacturing, we they do their job and put their growth on. Then we decide how do we allocate these production into like how much maximum we can do because we need to take advantage of the operational excellence. So I can say whatever the number we say, like 25, 30% now, this will go to 35%.

34:09 So all new lines will take 30% of that because this is how the products are manufactured in our company. Right. Right. Right. And, sir, you've mentioned that new products on the TPU, the ceramic coating and other products that we mentioned in the presentation. Are these all products on the home solution side? No, ma'am. Like, when we talk of... Yeah. They are, like... So some of them are home solution means whatever you can use in your home. Like ceramic coating and graphene coating, they are on the automotive on the car. Right? So in home solution, you will see sun control, you will see surface protection, that means sofa and all those things. Then you will see, like, coating for the doors. Then there will be many products which are actually used in full. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, sir, these products that you've mentioned in the presentation on the TPU side, do you... Can you help us understand what is the addressable market size for the products that we plan to launch on the TPU side? Because the line is going to commission in q three. Right? Yeah. So what is the addressable market size there?

35:20 Actually, honestly, for TPU such kind of products, as of now, in India, there is directly there is, I can say, you need to create a market because these products are like for when you compete with the substrate PVC versus TPU. So TPU is a much better product in terms of environmental sustainability, in terms of stretchability and all those things, right? So currently, what we produce, the market size is much bigger. We can talk of something like I won't be surprised if I say like this is easily INR 1,000 crore, but we need to really get there with our products and the timeline, right? And that will grow because it's not something, as I said, we do not do anything. If you see our company history, we do not do something which is already available and we jump and take share of We really need to believe that's what we have done when we did the right?

36:16 We created a market. People initially were skeptical of that, but finally, they believe that there is a market of Now whole world wants to jump into right? Similarly, in Sun Control, now on TPU, right? We know because we see the trends all around the world and then we see what better can be done even from The U. S. And other players, how can we do better because our R and D is a very unique proposition. They think much different than the market. So let me tell you, this total addressable market is like very big. And we may not be able to supply in the initial years for that. So that's that's how we see this market. Right. Right. And sir, can you give me geography wise sales mix for the CPD division for this quarter?

37:09 And what was it, you know, in FY twenty six Q1, both value and volume wise? I think that if you can write to... I'll take it. Yes, I'll take I'll take it. That's it. No problem. And so what was the... Sure, sure. Sir, what was the sales for Garware Home Solutions in this quarter? See, that is actually just the beginning, very miniscule, let me tell you, but that is going to gain traction. So we have internal targets for next year and year onwards. So we'll talk going forward on that. But that is really, really well. Okay? Okay. Okay. And sir, two small clarifications, So you said you are going to open 50 or 15 stores in FY 'twenty seven for home solutions? I couldn't get that. Five zero. Five zero.

37:55 Right? Okay. And, sir, for the tariff refund, I I didn't quite understand that. You said in q two, we are going to get the entire tariff back or just the 30 to 40% of what we are likely to get? Just that clarification about it. We will get full in q two. That is my expectation. I said till date, we have got already '32. Date, we've got. Okay. Okay. So could you included in any of the performance because this has happened in the month of July and August. Understood. And sir, would you be able to quantify this number? What are we expecting in Q2? Yes. See, the thing is we whatever refund we will get, we need to share with our customers in U. S, some of them. So if you talk of net number, I expect anywhere around INR 50 crore plus should be with us. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you, sir. Really appreciate this. Thank you.

38:54 Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, in order to ensure that the management is able to address questions from all participants in the conference, please limit your questions to two per participant. The next question is from the line of Pratham Kankaria from Quantum AMC. Just one thing. Firstly, condolences on the loss. So with GHS, you are moving closer to the end consumer. So can you elaborate means how this strategy could impact our existing distributors and installers? Like you are moving from distributor to this not moving, but you're kind of shifting some of the model though. Have you witnessed any resistance from channel partners and how do you plan to maintain this engagement?

39:46 Yes. Definitely, there were some resistance from all of them. But what we explained and what we have successfully done, they are doing better business than what they used to do in the past, right? That's the one thing we have ensured by various engagements that they continue to do better than what they were doing. So one of the example like GHS products are very different as compared to your normal Sun Control distributor model. Because honestly, the distributor in the past we have seen, they are a couple of them are really good. Couple of them are just stockist. They just stock the material and send. And the company's vision of growing and growth and everything mindset, right, some of them were not able to get along with that. So unfortunately, we had to take tough call on that, right? So we had to honestly shut some of them down, right? And that really helped the company to grow. If you are seeing this growth in last three, four years, this is one of the reasons that we wanted people who are dedicated and passionate like our team is, like the company is, right?

41:01 So we had to take a tough call and we don't shy away from taking such calls. So that's number one. Second thing is the product line in Garware Home Solution is entirely different. It is directly controlled by the company. So that means that these products are very different in terms of their properties, in terms of their transmissions and all those things. So that's why there is no direct conflict. Now we have made sure that this happens, right. So this is the way it is working. Now some of these guys have already like some of our general partners, want to become GSS also. So that also we have ensured that they get the enough chance to represent that. So that's why we have made it win win for both of them.

41:50 Okay. Thanks. That's my best. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Shri Ram from iThought PMS. Please go ahead. Thanks for the opportunity. What do you look for before partnering with any interior design stores for setting up our Garware Home Solutions? Sorry, I didn't get the question, please. Yes, sir. So when we are setting up a Garware Home Solutions, partnering with any interior design stores, so what do we look for before deciding the partnership?

42:36 Okay. So we what we look for, because this is a business which is related to home, retail homes, right? So that's why we look for partners who are already they have a presence in home furnishing or glass or something which they are already doing in that segment, where this film complements the home solution. So we that is the primary requirement. Along with that, we check, of course, the other legal things like financials and all those things. But the primary requirement is he should be influential or very well connected with this kind of business, which comes like I gave you example of polishing, glass and other interior, glass fittings, all those things are a natural fit for us.

43:27 And in PPS, apart from MLM, do we have any like any other OEM have authorized us? And are we the only PPS company that has been authorized by these OEMs? See, we have like five OEMs with us. And some of them, we are the only one. And some of them, there are like some companies have a policy that they do not have one vendor. So for that, they have another one. But we proudly say that we are the only official high quality producers in India. So that is the thing, which is making India is the key thing for them. So that's why we are a preferred supplier for many of the OEMs.

44:15 Thank you, sir. And then last question, it's connected with Garware Hi- solution. Is it the model is typically like what we did for Garware solutions like we just give products and discount to the partner and what else is our contribution with that? See, this is a little different model. Garware Home Solutions in Garware Application Studio, it's a dual model where some products are directly supplied by the company, some products are supplied through the distributor. But in Garware Home Solutions, it's totally different and fully controlled company, right? All revenues and everything comes to company and company then distributes it. So that's the basic difference. And it is a much more, I would say, growth oriented, aggressive and that takes the company's strength into top.

45:12 And then people then and the product line is very unique, which is not available into the market. That makes a unique solution for company and the partner as well. Understood, sir. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Duanin Desai from Turtle Capital. Please go ahead. Hi. Good afternoon, everyone, and congratulations for a very strong set of numbers and condolences on this Karwal is passing away. So my first question, Deepavji, is that I think we have started focusing on the B2C part significantly.

46:01 I think in last call, you had mentioned that by FY twenty eight, that part will become covered on and margin that is significantly different. So when you say d two fee, does it mean the India plus International and Garware Home Solution all put together? Yes. Actually, yes, D2C model is right now already running in U. S. And already running in GHS. So we are expanding that to other territories as well. So in fact, I mean, this business can be even bigger because now we are putting more efforts into that. So it can be bigger than INR 100 crore. Because we have seen the success in last even three months as well. So we are seeing a much better traction into that business.

46:54 So definitely, it can be bigger than that. And second question, I think you talked about the new products like based on TPU, think PDLC and graphic, we have already launched and maybe a couple of more products, know, ready to commercialize. So again, you know, we have had a very strong capability of developing product and then scaling up as demonstrated earlier. Do we think that each of these products that has 400,500,600 kind of a scale of potential? And that is how you choose on some of these are very niche products and some are scalable. How do you look at the entire product that you are having? See, if you are talking specifically about TPU, so if you give us three years' time line, definitely, this is a scalable beyond INR 500 crore business.

47:48 There might be more CapEx needed for that, which we will do in time, right? So as of now, the focus is to commercialize both kind of products. It's a mix of some of them are like a high volume product. Some of them are a very niche product, right? But both quality remains at the top end of our mind, right? So that's how we design the product. Yes, it has got a potential beyond INR 500 crores. That's how we are targeting INR 3,500 crores in coming years. Got it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Dixie Jen from Ingrid Research. Please go ahead.

48:36 Hello. Congratulations on good numbers. My question... First question was regarding the raw material prices. How has the raw material prices moved in the last quarter? And how much effect are we seeing on our margins because of that? See, raw material on our consumer products, there is like the real impact. If I say correlation, if I talk, it's only 10% to 12%, direct correlation with the top end raw material, right? Because there are 10 components which we manufacture on our own, right? So their raw material to the end product ultimately reaches only to 10%. Rest, there is a value addition, there is a lot of effort going on inside the company.

49:27 So there is hardly any impact. But at the same time, when it is a direct impact, like when the crude oil chain, and all those prices increase, so raw material increases, that kind of impact is directly passed on to the consumer. Of course, after talking to them, convincing them, there are negotiations, there are discussions, but that is taken care of. So there is whatever impact was there, definitely, that has been taken care of. See, we are no longer a company commodity where your raw material, if prices increase, you will take advantage. And then when it goes, you will take a hit on inventory. So we are like beyond that. We don't directly... Like I said, the correlation has only remained till 10%. Okay.

50:15 Next question is regarding our white labeling business. How has the mix changed in... For export for white labeling compared to our products in the last one year? Both have got a similar kind of growth. Right? Because that is, again, a key part of our strategy, where we remain very high quality producers for our customers, right? And they have been added into different geographies in the last quarter, but we also added lot of Garware and Global Brands. So put together, I see similar growth. I don't see any change in like they have grown faster or we have grown faster. So it's like a similar what we are seeing.

51:05 Okay. Thank you for taking the question. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Deepak Ajmera from IGE India. Please go ahead. Yeah. Hi. Thank you for the opportunity and congratulation of good set of numbers. My question is regarding the business margin expansion and the quarter has addressed previously. So apart from, let's say, product mix, is there anything else as a major driver behind that? No. Like I said, this is like sorry, so in terms of you are asking whether the performance of 30% plus gross sorry, EBITDA margin has come from some exceptional items, if I understood correctly?

52:00 So I want to ask, apart from product mix, has there been any other contributor which has contributed into margin expansion? Not really. If you have a question, like this margin expansion normally has happened because of better product mix. But at the same time, when you say better product mix, you are talking of a same basket where you choose the better products. But here, the strategic focus has been towards like high end products. Of course, that is again a product mix and the shift towards architectural business for us. So these two, one is the product mix and then a strategic focus towards the growth where we are creating market, making awareness and selling more of such products, right? So that's the reason of margin expansion.

52:54 Got it. And since our new lines are coming into Q3, but yet we are guiding towards 2,500 kind of revenue, which let's say quadrupled this quarter. So are we not expecting any kind of, let's say, contribution from new line in this year? No. Because if you really see, there's TPU line, which is coming in Q3. So that is mainly 75% goes to our right? That's a backward integration, which will add to market share. That is one. Secondly, 25% is earmarked for the new products.

53:39 And on their success, we will plan the further growth of the company, right? So if you really see, there is no material impact in this year in terms of volumes because only TPU is coming this year. Now the next is Sun Control, which will come next year, which will hit next year, FY 2028, which is H1 of twenty twenty eight, so say almost a year from now. So that will definitely add, which we have given already the guidelines that we are going to grow with a minimum like average CAGR of 15% to 20%. So we have taken account of these things, right? And just to remind that we are not a typical commodity company where one line comes and suddenly your volume will jump and margins will drop or revenues will increase. We are focused on a very high segment specialty product.

54:35 The company's growth, whenever we are talking of these like INR 2,500 crores, INR 3,500 crores, these are all very special products with a similar kind of EBITDA margins, right? So our focus is not just to run the top line by putting a line and sell the product at like with the competition at a price war. All the products which we are producing and will produce will remain to be very niche and special, which will give a special experience to our consumer. That's the thought process. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Sanjay Shah from KSA Securities.

55:20 Please go ahead. Yes. First of all, I accept our condolences on said demise of Sattitha, ma'am. So my question was first to appreciate the team, Garware on the and more on the towards the R and D division and your sentence, which I take it that is think differently. So can you, sir, elaborate, will it be possible to elaborate on that what other things what we see future, like what you explained about glass and PVC, TPU replacing PVC? Anything else which you can elaborate where our thought process is moving ahead? Sir, I would like to request a meeting to our IR and I can explain because these things are beyond certain point, the strategy will become very public, which we can't say in the forum.

56:11 But like I said, I just said, whatever I said, it's like just a thought process that the way the company thinks, like I was just talking to the previous answering the previous question where I said, we do not want to be a company that produces products, which everyone produces, and there is no real value to the consumer. We think differently. We think like how we can give a new experience to a consumer at a different way. And the product all the products will be very niche and that's how the company thinks. Like there has to be a value creation to the consumer, right? So that's the way we think. And in that process, we have lots of ideas where we are working. We do brainstorming. We do think differently. That's how we are here.

56:58 And that's how we forecast that we would be in future. So that's the thought process. Right, sir. So in our product portfolio, PDLC films, printer, TPU films, graphic solutions, ceramic and many other products what we have launched and what we are even planning to add the capacity, Which product you see, which carries which can highest become a meaningful revenue contributor over next two, three years? That would be definitely TPU. TPU would be one of them. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Gopal Krishna from Uttaranush Investments. Please go ahead.

57:52 Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for giving me an opportunity, and congratulations on an excellent set of numbers under extremely difficult, difficult conditions. And I can appreciate clearly because I hold shares of some other companies which have similar exposure but different industries and they are struggling. So really hats off to the entire team for fantastic numbers. I can tell you that. So now confidence in company in our company grows from strength to strength now in my case. So actually, I have a few questions on Garware Home Solutions. Actually, I see very low visibility in the market as a consumer supposing I have... I...

58:39 My dog... My... I buy buy an apartment. I'm not... I don't know that I can... I have some GSS product that can be installed and there will be beneficial in my apartment. So that visibility, maybe you can hire a brand ambassador or something to to give more visibility to the product and make sure because you are talking about direct to consumer. I feel that visibility has to be definitely improved. Yeah. So sir, actually the answer is your question, that is how we thought about Garware Home Solution that even if a home buyer, when he wants to do something, he's not aware what to do from in terms of his heat, which is coming to his home, how to control his air conditioning, the bills and how to make his entire experience, which is without UV rays. That means you're fading off your sofas, curtains and everything, and at the same time saving your skin from skin cancer, right? So all those things, like that's how the concept of Garware Home Solution came to our mind.

59:53 Now since this is just we just started, I mean, it's five, six months, a lot of we are just trying to make the right set of model for that, which is already we have started sales, and we have like nine in pipeline, 50 will be like in next six months, there will be more 50 phone solutions in this. And you will see what you are saying, you will see lots of influencing or videos where you can directly order these products online. So this campaign is going on. I mean, we'll just start maybe another fifteen, twenty minutes that will go live. You might see them on OTT and all those places as well. Super. Super, sir. The second thing is now government has come up with some regulation reform regarding e commerce, especially for export.

1:00:45 The e commerce service providers can hold the stock and do the export. And I see the... I find that Germany is the number three market in terms of luxury car. And I'm not sure how much percent we have in Germany. So putting all these things together, the ecommerce talking and Germany market, will there be any... The... And our countries, you know, FDA... Proposed FDA with EU. All these things, we we have additional market in Europe, which we we already have, then that's fine. But in my view, I think That's a real question. It is very possible. Very relevant question, sir. Let me tell you, like, that we have a dedicated person, a German guy working in Germany for us.

1:01:40 And he is one of the best installer in the world, we can say. And he has recently given us really good volume. So we are really growing in that market as well because we have people present all across wherever it's an important market, we are there, right? Beyond that, I can't explain you much on that, but definitely, this is a good point, and we are really, really going good in German market. Fantastic. And then the e commerce talking, sir, that any advantage will be there for us? Or... We will ask in terms of the FDAs and all, definitely, we will be directly this will be direct advantage to us. But in terms of e commerce and all, we'll have to see because Europe, we don't do see, one thing about our company, we can always think of best products and the way to sell it.

1:02:36 But one of our major thing always is the compliance. We really want to check everything, whatever is the right way to do business in a country, right? That process is going on right now. And so there will be something on that. I mean, are evaluating that option for us. Okay, sir. And then one more question. The R and D expense at the past percentage of sales, how much it is now? And what is the target going forward? Because R and D is the key pillar for this company. That's why I'm asking. Yes, sir. So definitely, that's like a backbone and that's how our R and D team is down the clock with us, understanding the concept and everything, then they go back. So there are different segments of R and D, right? So just one second, I'll take from our finance guys.

1:03:45 Hello. Yes, sorry. So the thing is this expense, R and D expense, if you talk of our revenues, it's like in the range of, I can say, 3% to 5%. And yes, so but that is like very variable. We are continuously monitoring that in a way because some of our R and D comes into manufacturing as well. So that's why real I mean, numbers is difficult to judge because some of the products when they are commercialized, they go to our production site. Okay? Okay. Okay. Okay. And then about the Sun Control and GPS, what is the capacity utilization? Sorry to interrupt, Mr. Gopal, Krishna. May we request you that you return the question queue for any follow-up question?

1:04:35 Yes. We use capacity utilization, that's all. Sorry, sorry. Please go ahead. Anyway, yes, please proceed. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nikhil Chaudhry from Turo Wealth Managers. Please go ahead. Yeah. Hi, Deepak,. Thank you so much for the opportunity, and congratulations on a great quarter in a challenging environment. I just... Two questions. Most of my questions have been answered. Just wanted to understand the kind of opportunities that probably we've been targeting have a very large time and with our exceptional product quality. Just wanted to understand our... What is the bottleneck to growing beyond, like, say, 20%? We've been consistently guiding 15, 20%, but the TAM for our work has been expanding in a very... Like, considering the markets also you are entering and the products also that you are entering, including the Garware Home Solutions.

1:05:33 So is it the manufacturing? Is it probably distribution? Is it the applicator availability? Wanted to understand this. And the second one is just wanted to understand your thoughts on how do you plan to probably... Like, in the TPU, any kind of products that you can give quality on? Like, what kind of products will that be? I may have missed the answers on that, but if you could just help me understand that. Thank you so much. Yes. So it's like you said about the TAM, right? So the biggest challenge in TAM is what you are considering is something which is like you are thinking, I'm thinking, right? A consumer needs to be educated for that, right? Sometimes I meet consumers or big customers who think like when I explain them about the glass, what a film can do, a glass, then he gets amazed. Oh, really? I didn't know that.

1:06:36 This is our biggest challenge. When we talk of TAM, see, again, there are two things in the market. When you say, I'll take the market, then if a new entrant comes, he will most of the people, they try to attend Garware Hi, Garware Hi-tech, let us do that. Similarly, we may be doing to some other company what they are doing from America, right? But our thought process has changed over a couple of years. Now we will work on something. I can't divert this information. Something where the addressable market, right, we are making those campaigns. We are like there is one government authority, and we did last month, we did we called all of their employees. And in only one department, there were 75 people came, and some of them were with their families, right? So we explained them what we are, like how do we work and what a film does to a glass. Like I said, it can save the glass right from spiltering off, it can reduce the heat by a very nominal cost, It can protect 100% from ultraviolet rays to skin from the skin cancer.

1:07:47 It can do decoration. So, so many things can be done. So we are taking those mass scale things, but we cannot go to consumer like Garware Home Solutions because it will take time there. You need to educate the consumer. What we are doing is educating the authorities or the people who are influenced like thousands of people. So such kind of campaigns are going. That's why we are conservative in our top line. That's why being tapped. See, obtaining top line growth, I don't think that's a challenge. We can do it tomorrow. We can sell so many products, run the line full and do nothing. But what we want to do is we want to create some nation to the market, right? The product because later on, what happens, product which reduces 99% of heat will be like 30%, 40% and we will sell it to everyone, right? So we don't want to do that.

1:08:40 That's why we are taking time. But our addressable market, we will be, I think, in another one or two years' time, it will be faster for us to gain our top line momentum into this market. So that's what the challenge for us. It. This We have external people who are helping us in that. We hire people in terms of those who do study for us. And then we also hire our people who really make it happen to make the product at a very, I would say, a cost which can be easily afforded by consumers. Got it. Got it. Got it. And out of all the value added products that we have added in last few years and we've been adding, what has been the, like, maybe say, like, assumptions that probably you feel that probably has...

1:09:32 We underestimated and it turned out to be even larger opportunity considering that you've been creating market in lot of products. So... Because initially also, you are also not sure of how the market will accept. I'm just trying to understand how is our decision making evolved with those assumptions being probably altered and on the way we have also changed ourselves. Just wanted to understand it. See, what we do is like our team, now we have a substantial team all around the world, right? We have like South America, North America, USA, we have a big thing. We have offices in Europe, many European countries, Middle East, right? So our session is like two different things. We only we do not have only sales people.

1:10:17 We have a business development team, right? So what they do is they try, they understand the challenges into the market. For example, if a product is there, I tell them, okay, what is this what do you think about this product? This happens on a daily basis, right? They go to the market and they come with a different challenge. This is a if we have the product with this particular property, right? So it will be like everybody loves that. Then we reverify it in other places. So there is a team, business development team, which works with our new product development team in the R and D, right? And then we decide like there are let me tell you, we have 20 product line as of now in our mind, right? So we prioritize based on their commercial nature and based on their TAM, like which makes more sense. But we do not want something which cannot be like there has to be a value proposition also. If you make something, we should get returns on investment because R and D works so hard day in, day out. They need the real output of that, right? So that's how we work. Like we have a product line, then we prioritize on them, then we see what is like the addressable market.

1:11:27 So all things are there, manufacture capability, selling capability and the real requirement by the market. So there is a process which is evolved. We were not doing these things maybe a couple of years back, but now we are thinking like the global giant share increase their presence. Good thing is that they are now because of they are into the markets like most advanced markets, U. S. And all. So they have stopped thinking that way because that makes it's very difficult proposition in terms of chemical manufacturing in U. S. And then with a lot of compliance and all those things. So we are doing these kind of jobs for them. Got it. Got it. Understood. Thank you so much and Harish. Great. Thank you.

1:12:14 Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ishud Desai from POTS Family Office. Please go ahead. Yes. Thank you for the opportunity, sir, and congratulations on a very good set of numbers. Sir, my first question is on the Garware Home Solutions side. Just want to understand that the product range we have, does all of them also need an applicator layer or an expert layer rule then? Or are we also working towards do it yourself sort of products as well? I mean, what what does the product market look like? Yeah. See, we have most of the products where you need a professional applicator because some of the products are really expensive and doing yourself definitely doesn't work, especially in countries like India. But in U. S, we have a lot of products which are DIY in nature. They are sold online. And of course, they buy two times. Once they try and fail and then they buy. So a couple of products are there, which are really game changer for there, right? This is one of the highest selling products in U. S.

1:13:21 Is like that. And another thing, we have like some developments, good developments in where we can do such kind of things for not for the full cast, but for at least some parts where you which are prone to damage and all, there we have DIY products because then you don't need so much of expertise in terms of wipes and in terms of water, in terms of adhesion and all those things. So we are working in that direction as well because when we go B2C, we need to have more of such products. So we are aware of this fact and working on that. Understood. And then my second question is on the utilization of cash given that we are on the are at about INR $8.50 crore balance already and more. And given that our incremental return on capital employed is also very superior with the new investments, any plans around devoting the shareholders with anything on dividend or buyback or even probably aggressive marketing towards given that we are now focusing also on D2C more spending towards aggressive campaigns on the marketing? So any thoughts around utilization of cash?

1:14:32 Yeah. It's a combination of these things. I think in couple of months' time, there will be, like, first of all, we are working on some of, like, inorganic growth where we have evaluated in the past. We are still evaluating if something makes sense for us. That's number one. Number two is we also want to make this system much more reliable in terms of our manufacturing capabilities because one of the reason of our high margins is like we are fully backward and power integrated, right? So that's the key thing because we maintain our quality. No producer in the world has that capability, where you make all the products by yourself so that you can control the quality and you can arrive the best of the margins in that. So to have that, we will need more CapEx, which we are working aggressively on. So this is item number two.

1:15:32 And after that, if you think, give us maybe this growth journey will intensify, like I said, more like we are going to do more and more better things, top line growth and bottom line growth that is going to come. And this will be only possible when we have like to support that we need the real right CapEx. We are working on that, and we will come up with that. So that's the priority of the company because we would like to utilize the cash to the right way so that company system becomes robust, all right, from raw material to end products. So there are many things which we need to do. We'll do that in coming months and announce the same thing to you.

1:16:19 Sure, sure. Very helpful. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, due to time constraint, we take that as last question. I now hand the conference over to the management for closing remarks. Thank you and over to you, sir. Yes, thanks. So before we conclude, I would like to reiterate our margins are fundamentally driven by our product mix. As we continue to increase the share of our high value specialty products. We expect our margin profile to continue improving over time. We remain focused on executing our long term strategy, investing in innovation, expanding our specialty portfolio and creating sustainable value for all our stakeholders.

1:17:08 So thank you once again for your continued interest, trust and support of Garware Hi-Tech Films. We look forward to updating you on our progress in the coming quarters. Have a great day, and thank you for joining us. Thank you. On behalf of Garware Hi-Tech Films Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.