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22:57 in August, September. So You do have a management team that's very, very well aligned with that. But in terms of catalysts that we're going to see, I mean, first and foremost, I think we are going to see the gold market turn. And it feels like it already has. I think if you look back in prior cycles, when the gold price starts to take off, it first gets felt in the producers who tend to have the most immediate leverage because they are selling gold and it translates into near-term cash flow. Then from the producers, it will tend to then, as they get priced up, and they're still a long way from being at historical high valuations. So I think there's still some room for the producers to run. We've seen the ongoing consolidation that continues to happen in the production space, the latest that's pretty interesting for us is Yamana and Agnico.
23:59 When that deal closes, we are going to be sitting on pretty much the largest undeveloped Gold project not owned by Agnico in the Abitibi, top 3 anyway. So we're pretty excited about that. But that consolidation happens there. We haven't been at the point where producing companies are starting to get rewarded for having development pipelines. And we haven't really been in that part of the market since, It feels like since 2011, to be honest. A few brief blips, but gold companies haven't been rewarded for growth in 10 years, and so they haven't really been aggressively pursuing growth. That time will come. And I think when you look at that chart that I'd showed earlier with the top development projects in Canada, I think you can consistently see that the bigger, really meaningful strategic projects are the ones that will attract strategic interest at that time of the cycle. It was 1st mining an M&A candidate.
25:07 It doesn't, at this point, keep me up at night. I think, absolutely, We have a pipeline that is good enough and big enough for the largest gold companies in the world. When it comes time for you get closer to that construction decision, as we keep really advancing the fundamental value of the company and the projects, I think that's when it will turn very quickly. I can point you to a couple of episodes in my career where that turn has come in 6 months with share prices that have gone up 4 and 5 X. So I think that is entirely possible with what we're doing here at 1st Mining when the industry starts to turn and that turn can happen very quickly and feels like it has already happened in the Gold Price.
26:02 Right. Okay. Fair enough. James wants to know if you've heard anything about the Canadian government reducing the time needed for permitting mining operations, and if that could possibly affect your timeline on the Springpole project. James, that's a great question. We are very closely paying attention to this. It turns out that the Minister of Natural Resources who was talking about the great cutting of red tape happens to be my member of parliament for my area that I live in, North Vancouver. I haven't sat down with him, but I intend to in 2023 as a bit of a New Year's resolution. Ultimately, what they are trying to do is streamline the federal and provincial permitting regimes and environmental assessment regimes such that a company really only has to go through 1 assessment.
26:54 Now, I remain very optimistic that they can do that, but I think the only way that happens is the federal government is going to kind of reduce its scope of involvement. And I hope that there is an avenue for better federal and provincial collaboration. And I'll remain optimistic that that's something that can be achieved in the near term here. I think for us, where we are in the process, that would be more impactful for someone starting, you know, where we were in 2017 or 2018, you know, prior to submitting your initial, your initial project description. Where we are with SpringPoll particularly, right now is very advanced in that process.
27:41 And actually we do have good collaboration in the timelines between federal and provincial agencies. So from our perspective, it's actually working really well, but where this could have more of an impact would be in something like DuParquet, for example, which might be entering that process over the course of the next year or 2, where you have more defined timeframes for decisions. The single biggest thing that would impact the timing of permitting mines in Canada is reducing the timeframe between environmental assessment and receiving all of your permits to start constructing. A lot of that happens because there's a bunch of things that just don't happen in parallel that could happen in parallel.
28:30 I think where we have some ability to raise some of these issues with our regulators, who again, I will tell you right now, we have had great support from the regulators in Ontario, great support from our regulators in Quebec and great support from our federal regulators. So don't take this as anything other than the fact that I think we're having a really good experience, but a lot of this does just take time. But the other interesting part of that is on the topic of critical minerals, which we're looking at very closely. That's really what they're trying to streamline as a pathway to critical minerals. There are a number of opportunities that we have at Springpole and at DuParcay, understanding those ore bodies better to understand where there may be significant potential byproducts of critical minerals that I think can make these projects even more strategically important than they are today.
29:33 Okay, I'm gonna actually combine the next 2 questions just a little bit here. You know, Sally says, makes a comment that, you know, it looks like 2023 is gonna be busy, busy, busy. But how are you going to create value for shareholders? How are you going to move the stock as opposed to deliver a similar report next year? You know, listen, Sally, I certainly understand and appreciate that. I think, you know, our job is to deliver the value. It's a little more difficult for us to necessarily deliver the share price. The share price, I think, what we can do is make sure that we are out telling our story, make sure that we have, you know, a good set of news flow that is going to support that story, make sure that we are undertaking the activities that really underpin and cement that fundamental value and bring the attention of other investors, potentially increasing an institutional shareholder base, which is small but growing in where we are now, and potentially, as we've talked about in a number of these forums, attracting that strategic investor that can bring a bit of an external stamp of credibility on the development activities that we have at Springpole
31:04 and DuParcay. So, I think we have all of the foundation to be able to not just demonstrate and underpin the value of the projects that we have, but to continue to add to that. That's where us starting to do some exploration is really, really important. I think that's where, when you demonstrate that the Bertucci Greenstone Belt outside of Springpole, or even some of the near mine exploration at Springpole takes that project from 5 to 678 million ounces. Every one of those incremental ounces isn't going to show up in an NPV in a mine plan today, but what it does is it really adds to the strategic value of this project.
31:55 And it's that strategic value that when we get into an environment where we're able to start having better, better valuation metrics for developers and we can start closing that gap. We systematically remove the reasons that people don't invest. And I think as we keep doing that, we're in a, we call it a 2 to 3 year timeframe here through environmental assessment, the environmental assessment process and environmental assessment approvals where we can deliver tangible milestones that show that we are taking risk out of these projects. We can deliver exploration results that are going to show that we can grow these projects and ultimately continue to move the projects forward on that front. I think that's where we are going to see the share price rise. So, I totally understand the frustration and again, you can rest assured that those of us who are moving the company forward here absolutely share that frustration.
33:01 Fair enough. I'm going to combine the next 2 questions as well from Steve and John. Just if you could provide a brief overview of the company's plans for exploration in 2023, maybe talk a little about your feelings on having sufficient funds to explore in a meaningful way. Right. So, you know, we're looking forward to being able to talk a bit more about the work that we've done. We're just, we're finalizing some of, just some of the details and results of the exploration, really foundational exploration work we've done in the Bertucci Greenstone Belt this year. And, you know, I think what that's done has identified a number of targets close to Springpole and a number of targets in the region that we think have million ounce or multi-million ounce exploration potential.
33:56 So I would frame each one of these opportunities and we'll talk more about them. We'll talk more about them in the, sort of as we get the, you know, the compilation and the game plan really set. So I'll leave this just as a bit of a teaser, but you know, I think each of the areas in the district around some of the existing work that we have. When you layer onto that some of the really amazing work that's come, the foundational work that's come out of structural analysis and some of the mapping and sampling, the geophysical programs, the geochem programs that our team has done over this year. I think it actually, each one of these kind of sub areas in the Bertucci should be a company with a market cap of the size of 1st Mining Pool.
34:45 And when we, not too long from now, we will be able to talk a bit more about what are the game plans to be able to move those forward. You know, I think it's really primarily in the Bertucci about still reasonably early stage testing of a number of different targets. And I think in those targets, we'll start demonstrating an understanding of some of the district scale controls and really kind of vectoring in on what could be really exciting exploration discoveries. I think that's certainly on the Bertucci side. On the DuParquet side, We're very excited with some of the exploration opportunities that we have there.
35:37 Most of the deposits that we have, we have the Beattie Mine, the Donchester Mine, Central DuParquet, Dumico, some of the smaller pits that were in the original Clifton Star pre-feasibility study, but a lot of those projects are not closed off by drilling at all. They are open along strike, they're open down dip, and a lot of them are open at depth. So, actually all of them are open at depth. In an environment where in the Abitibi, the conventional wisdom is the real mines tend to start at about 1,000m down, we only have a handful of drill holes below 500m, which was where these deposits were mined, certainly in the case of BD in the 30s to the 50s.
36:22 So really interesting exploration upside, I think, to be able to find far more mineralisation and demonstrate really what the depth and the growth potential of these projects can be. Now, I think that goes on top of us being able to also, at DuParcay, and we've talked about this a little bit, but demonstrate that there is a very robust, call it starter scenario there, that could really get 1 into production on a smaller scale than we talk about starting at at SpringPool, which gives a very different complexion to the opportunity to do parquet. So again, a big part of that is us getting the PEA done in 2023, just demonstrating, you know, what a game plan might look like, and then moving that through its paces of technical studies.
37:19 And Steve, in terms of staying funded for moving the exploration forward, we were able to raise some good flow-through funding in August of this year to really get some of that foundational work done. And we do have good support from a couple of our investors who are, you know, flow through funds, who've been very supportive, and I think great financing partners for us. So, you know, I think our goal is also to take that step by step. And, you know, I think we are going to need to demonstrate success before we're able to raise larger amounts of money to continue to pursue the exploration. But, you know, I do think it's strategically important that we're able to do it.
38:04 No, absolutely. Oh, and you just touched on it actually briefly, but John was wondering how long it would take to begin mining the DuParcay starter pit, as you call it, that you've spoken of in the past. We're a ways away yet. I think the game plan at DuParcay really starts with understanding the environment situation. We've got some interesting work that's being done right now on a couple of different fronts about potential to help manage that environmental legacy. But ultimately, we really lean heavily on Steve Lines' experience and our team's experience at the Hard Rock Project, which was very similar to DuParcay in terms of a historical mine, some environmental legacy, and ultimately tying that development plan to an overall environmental mitigation plan.
39:03 I think the 2 really do go hand in hand, particularly at DuParcay where you've got 4Mt of tailings sitting at 0 strip ratio, sitting at surface, the grade 0.9 Gold and some Silver component in there as well. So you know, I think we've still got some real work to do. And part of us doing this PEA is really starting to understand and scope out what the path is to go forward at DuPortier. Because I think we've had great reception from our interactions with the municipality. And I think everyone wants to see the same thing happen, which is sort of a joint program that is some of that environmental risk mitigation and really, really robust economic development. So I think if we ask me that question 6 months from now, I think we'll have a better plan on the on the time frame to move it forward. All right, I'll set a reminder.
40:08 John has another question, and it's just if there's been any interest or conversations with other parties concerning JV deals or partnerships. Well, thanks, John. And we're having these discussions all the time. A big part of our role in talking about 1st mining gold is not just to investors, but also to the industry. And I think, you know, there's nothing concrete, anything that, you know, is really far down the track. Obviously, even if there was, we wouldn't be able to talk about it. But I do think it is, you know, these are continuing and ongoing discussions.
40:54 And the one thing that I'm optimistic for in 2023 is that the tone of those discussions is gonna change a bit. And I think the tone of that discussion changes as you move it, move the projects closer to realization. So SpringPool, I think, you know, with the environmental assessment there, and as we continue to demonstrate that we're taking risk out of the project, I think we'd continue to demonstrate that that timeframe to a construction decision, we're making progress on. I think that's the nature of those conversations can start to change. And as I said before, sometimes the nature of those conversations can change very quickly. So we'll continue to, as we've always talked about, continue to really assess all options for how some of the projects might be moved forward and certainly important parts of that might be JVs or strategic investors.
41:54 All right. How much cash is the company going to have on hand at year end and after the golden royalty transaction closes? Still finalizing that number. If we use, it'll be a little bit less than the 6.6 that we had. We have monetized a few of our marketable securities as well. So I take that 6.6, add 9.5, take off some transaction costs, and then some of the spend over the last couple of months. I'll be optimistic that number is going to be, you know, 13 to 14, but we're just finalizing those numbers, obviously, over the course of the next couple of weeks. Right. Richard wants to know what's happening with the 1st mining's largest stock holding, which according to him is Treasury Metals?
42:49 So listen, yeah, we are the largest shareholder of Treasury Metals. We currently own about 14% of the company. And right now we are sitting patiently waiting for Treasury to move forward through the pre-feasibility study that they're working on and demonstrate some of the advancement on timing toward their construction decision, which they're engaged in a permitting process as well. You know, I think the next time Jeremy Wyeth, the CEO of Treasury has one of these types of webinars, it's a good question for him. And I'm not really in a position to answer that. But yeah, I think we want to see what the value catalysts look like here. I think Treasury is incredibly undervalued, not quite as much as 1st mining gold, I would say. But you know, they're trading at significant discounts. And you know, you recall when we put these companies together, it was the Treasury share price post consolidation was around a dollar.
43:52 I think that's still not fair value, but I think you get to a point where you demonstrate a robust project with its permits to be built. If the equity markets aren't solving that problem, I think the strategic markets will, in terms of that disconnect between a share price and fundamental value. So a couple of important milestones that Treasury needs to deliver on this year. And I think once we see those, there are gonna be a couple of logical points of exit for us and 1 is, we don't wanna be competing with Treasury for construction capital. And if we see values up in ranges that we think are more rational, then maybe we can consider exiting prior to construction. But if not, then it's probably after they've been able to raise the capital to build the mine.
44:44 So no, we don't have any timeframe. I think we have a good sense of where we think the fundamental value is, and that'll be the guide, really, for the timing of when we might be able to move forward. Right, OK, absolutely. What, if any, are the First Nations' concerns for Springpole? You know, I don't like using the term First Nations concerns. I think if I understand what you're saying, What are the concerns that the Indigenous communities around our projects would have with Spring Pool? When I first read the question, I said, what's 1st Mining's concerns around working with the indigenous communities in the area.
45:33 And I think, you know, we really just see opportunity in working with the indigenous communities around us, supporting them in their assessment of the project. But I'll tell you, one of the things that, you know, what I have a concern, I know it's a concern that's shared by the leadership of the communities is, you know, there, there really needs to be some thought put to sort of workforce preparedness in having community members trained and healthy in a position to really be able to take advantage of employment and contracting opportunities that are come with the development project of this scale.
46:21 So, I think it's something that we are really kind of putting our thoughts to right now and working with one of the communities around SpringPool in how do we work together and help even mobilize the industry toward recognizing that there is this challenge of workforce preparedness and that the communities need to be and community members need to be in a better position to really be able to benefit from this. So that's not something that we are gonna solve, but I think it's a conversation that we really wanna be part of. Absolutely. Warren wants to know, with the selling of the GoldLund NSR, what relationship does that 1st mining have with Sprott and could we see further opportunities with this company?
47:15 Well, our relationship with the Sprott Royalty and Streaming Company goes back a ways through the discussion of GoldLund, because they're obviously the ones who provided the $20 million US to Treasury for Goliath earlier this year, and kind of went through a robust process on that. But in my personal relationship with, certainly with Mike Harrison, one of the principals, goes back to the fact we worked together years and years ago in sort of 2004, 2005. So, you know, I would just say, in my experience, I've been involved in a number of royalty transactions in the past, both as an investor, as an advisor, and in ones that we've seeked to buy and sell at 1st Mining, or create and sell, and maybe buy royalties.
48:16 But Mike and his team have been an absolute pleasure to work with, and I think they, you know, they've been able to move pretty expeditiously through this process and, you know, certainly appreciate that. So no formal relationship, but I think still a good longstanding relationship that it's a group that we've had a great experience with. And I think the team at Treasure Metals would say the same thing. All right. Tim has a question. With interest rates where they are, could the cash on hand finance much of your salaries? That's an interesting question. I hadn't really thought about earning 5.5% in a GIC or something like that.
49:06 Yeah, it certainly will, it'll help. It's always nice to have a bit of a revenue line coming in, it's something we're not used to. But we really tend to manage the cash for risk mitigation rather than yield and upside. But I think it's an environment where you're able to actually achieve a small amount of return on those and you know, that extra, you know, 5 or $600,000 could probably help. So it's a very good thought, certainly appreciate that. Kate wants to know, when's the SpringPoll FS expected to be completed? So Kate, we are right now targeting completion of the Spring Poll feasibility study probably late 2024, which sounds like a long time out.
50:06 And I think the reason we'd look at a timing like that is that while we've got a bunch of the feasibility study work done now, there is some other data collection that we'd need to do to finalize some of the geotechnical analysis that is certainly good enough now that if we were to say decide to move forward with an updated pre-feasibility study, we could do that. But I think there is another sort of field season of data collection that with the cash that we have on hand right now, we're not robustly enough funded to do that this winter. And we don't really need the feasibility study until you get closer to the environmental assessment process, you know, have your final EA completed and having, you know, being in the middle of that final EA process. And we're targeting, you know, sort of first half of 2024 for ultimately submitting that final EA, but still have some process to go through before we really firm up that timing.
51:15 So I think that's to say we're considering what that economic update might look like, whether it's a PFS update or something like that. In 2023, I think we could get that pulled together reasonably quickly. But again, that final feasibility study, probably a lot closer, but just to match with the timing of the environmental assessment. Right. John wants to know if you have any comments on when the precious metals mining sector could begin to move higher? JOE MAHEUX-SHYNERTON, MD, PhD John, any day now. I think, honestly, as you said before, we're at this position where the Gold price has bounced off those lows of 1600 that we were at a couple of months ago.
52:07 And that I think is really starting to instill some conviction in particularly gold producers, and some investors starting to look at gold producers as very cheap. So, you know, if I look historically, I think that, you know, gold price run, it can sometimes take 3 to 6 months for the, if you're into a real bull run, and I'm saying if we're gonna push, you know, past 1900, 2000, up to some of the levels that I think the gold price could get to, and you know, we could spend another hour talking about interest rates and talking about the pivot and talking about inflation and my own personal view that I think everyone declaring victory on inflation right now is probably premature.
53:02 But what we're starting to feel is the real limits to central banks being able to raise interest rates. Because I think we're getting to a point where it's gonna bite. They feel like Maybe the recession is around the corner. But I think you need to challenge the assumption that if we hit a recession, that we're not gonna have inflation. And that's my biggest concern. And the inflation that we're seeing day to day here, the really crippling stuff for the economy is are they counting interest payments in their inflation? Because if they are, for a lot of people, interest payments are gonna start becoming unaffordable. Food prices are certainly a huge contributor in gapping up more than your average inflation number.
53:48 So I think you're going to see that those 2 things particularly manifest themselves in salary increases. And once you get in the cycle of wage push and inflation expectation, My view is the perfect storm for gold is you start going into the recession, and you're in a stagflation moment. I think we're not far from that right now. I will be surprised if we're not in that in Q1 or Q2 of next year, where you are really seeing GDP starting to pull back, But you're still going to have persistent inflation in the economy.
54:35 And that I think is, you know, you look at what happened in 1980 and gold prices and I think, you know, you get a sense of what kind of real push that could put in here. You know, I think it's That's where you could see the real parabolic move in gold, and that will accelerate a lot of the rest of this, because obviously the gold producers will start seeing free cash flows gap up even more than they are now. And listen, there's a really healthy level of free cash flow in the gold producer industry right now. That has to make its way into development of new capacity, which is fundamentally where the developers are. So As we've been saying for years, we just need to keep skating to where the puck's going to be, to borrow a phrase from Wayne Gretzky.
55:29 I think we're still completely on track for that right now, to have our projects advanced and de-risked at a time that the industry is going to need the most. That chart that I was showing of the largest projects in Canada, I think if you map on top of that state of advance, SpringPool is one of the first ones up after the current generation being built. So I think it leaves us feeling really positively about when we think that's going to turn. And when that gold price starts moving, then you get the rest of the generalist investors starting to pay attention. You're already seeing it come into mainstream media thoughts.
56:16 You're seeing it come into some investing highlights for 2023, because what this push is going to do is put gold as one of the best performing assets over the last year. And in all the year-end material you're going to see, as people start performance chasing gold, which they will, that's where you start seeing the interest start broadening out. And again, it'll hit the producers first, and then either probably first through the M&A market, and then through the flows of capital, we'll start coming down to the developers. Okay, well, Dan, I wanna thank you for such a great in-depth Q&A session, as well as your presentation at the beginning. I of course want to thank everyone in the audience for such great questions. We have even more questions that are unfortunately going to have to go unanswered today. We will be passing these along to the 1st Mining team to make sure that they can follow up with you afterwards. But Dan, before we wrap up, I want to pass things over to you for any closing remarks that you have. No, it's great. Listen, I just want to thank everyone for joining us today.
57:24 It's one of the great blessings that I count, you know, as I get toward the end of the year is the great blessing of the shareholders that we have here at 1st Mining Gold. Your level of engagement and enthusiasm, you know, we're absolutely blessed with a great group of shareholders and I just hope you all can understand and appreciate that we're working very, very, very hard to make your investments worth more than they are right now, and you have a team that's completely aligned with the goal of seeing that happen. So, thanks very much, and I hope everyone has an opportunity to relax and spend some time with loved ones over the holidays. And if anyone does have any other questions we didn't get to today, you'll know how to get to us at info at firstmininggold.com.
58:16 Most of you have Paul Morris's contacts as well and Paul will be reaching out to everyone on the webinar today. But thanks again so much, and happy holidays, and Merry Christmas, and all the best to what we hope is going to be a very prosperous and exciting 2023 for 1st mining gold.