Camtek (NASDAQ:CAMT) Q4 2020 Earnings Call

0:00 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. I would like to welcome all of you to Camtech's fourth quarter and full year 2020 results Zoom webinar. My name is Kenny Green. I am part of the investor relations team at Camtech. This is the first time we are running our conference call as a live Zoom webinar, and I apologize in advance for any unforeseen technical issues we may face during the call. Our goal is to increase engagement with investors and analysts, and we hope this new type of quarterly call is a step in the right direction. All participants, other than the presenters, are currently muted. Following our formal presentation, I will provide some instructions for participating in the live question and answer session. At any time during the call, you may also submit a question via the Q&A chat and we will endeavour to answer as many of those questions as possible.

0:47 I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded and the recording will be available for download from CanSec's website within a few hours after the call. You should have all received by now the company's press release. If not, please view it on the company's website. With me today on the call we have Mr. Rafi Amit, Camtex CEO, Mr. Moshe Eisenberg, Camtex CFO, and Mr. Ramy Langer, Camtex COO. Rafi will open by providing an overview of Camtex results and discuss recent market trends. Moshe will then summarize the financial results of the quarter. Following that, Rafi, Moshe and Ramy will be available to take your questions. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that certain information provided on this call are internal company estimates unless otherwise specified.

1:37 This call may also contain forward-looking statements. These statements are only predictions and may change as time passes. Statements on this call are made as of today and the company undertakes no obligations to update any of the forward-looking statements contained, whether as a result of new information, future events, changes in expectations or otherwise. Investors are reminded that these forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual events or results that differ materially from those projected. including as a result of the effects of general economic conditions, the effects of the COVID-19 crisis on global markets and on the markets in which we operate, including the risk of a continued disruption to our and our customers, providers, business partners and contractors' business as a result of the outbreak and effects of the COVID-19 pandemic.

2:29 risk related to the concentration of a significant portion of Camtex expected business in certain countries, particularly China, from which we expect to generate significant portions of our income for the foreseeable future, but also Taiwan and Korea, including the risk of deviations from our expectations regarding timing and size of orders from customers in these countries. Changing industry market trends, reduced demand for our services and products, the timely development of new services and products and their adoption by the market, increased competition in the industry and price reductions, as well as due to other risks identified in the company's findings with the SEC. Please note that the safe harbor statement in today's press release also covers the contents of this conference call.

3:15 Furthermore, during the call, certain non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed. We believe that the presentation of non-GAAP financial measures is useful to investors' understanding and assessment of the company's ongoing corporations and prospects for the future. A full reconciliation of non-GAAP to GAAP financial measures are included in today's earnings release. I will now like to hand the call over to Rafi Amit, Camtex CEO. Rafi, please go ahead. Okay, thank you, Kenny. Good morning and thank you for joining our call today. I will start with some highlights from the fourth quarter.

4:01 A few words on 2020 and continue with reviewing our current business. Total sales in the fourth quarter were $48.6 million, close to a 50% increase over Q4 2019 and record quarterly revenue. In the first quarter, we continued the momentum of increasing sales to our existing customers as well as to new customers. Gross margin was 48.2% and operating margin was 18.9%, marking an improvement in profitability compared with the first half of 2020.

4:47 For all year, we achieved record revenue of $156 million, a 16% growth over 2019 and record operating profit of $26.8 million. In the last two weeks, we have received multiple systems orders from several customers totaling about $25 million. The impressive backlog we have on hand together with sales in pipeline point to a strong sales forecast for the first half of 2021. We are anticipating sales of over $110 million in the first half of 2021, implying approximately 65% growth over the first half of 2020.

5:47 We also see continued momentum of orders into Q3, but it is too early to give accurate forecasts. For the first quarter of 2021, we expect an impressive sales level of between $54 to $56 million. The year 2020 was an exceptional year for us, just as it was for the old semiconductor industry. In the first quarter, we had concern about our ability to install system due to the COVID-19 restrictions on shipping system to certain countries. Yet, in the fourth quarter, we face a completely different situation.

6:39 We had to adjust our production capacity and field support due to the high demand for our systems. Our flexible operational infrastructure and our global organizations allow us to successfully execute this growth and the requirements of our customers. In the first quarter of 2021, this trend has continued and even accelerated. Our strategy is to maximize growth in all segments in which we operate. The front-end, mid-end and back-end, mainly post-dicing. We continue increasing the number of new customers, penetrating new market segments and strengthening our presence in existing customers.

7:35 By providing the highest level of service and support, we create a strong commitment between Camtek and its customers. A strategy of addressing a wide range of customers also includes customers with entry-level products that need only basic configuration of our systems, resulting in a lower ASP in the short term. Our experiences show that in the future, many of these customers will purchase systems with more complex configurations capable of detecting smaller defects to meet their end customer requirements.

8:22 In the second half of 2020, we saw an improved margin. We can already see this trend continuing in the order we have received for the year 2021. The configuration of system order are more complex and the ASP is higher than what we saw in 2020. As a result, we expect continued improvement in the gross margin in the first half. The drivers of our market segment have not changed from those I mentioned in the previous course. The main drivers are advanced packaging, memory, CMOS image sensor, and RF devices for 5G smartphone.

9:13 5G is pushing demand for high-end smartphone sales. Compared to previous generations, these 5G phones include more silicon, more advanced packaging, and larger number of RF devices in each phone. As a result, we are experiencing demand for 5G-related applications. We see adoption of new packaging technologies by our customers. Adoption of new technologies requires extensive use of inspection and metrology systems. All the drivers I mentioned serve the demand for end products such as mobile phone, laptop, server, automotive, medical, and more.

10:00 Specifically for 2021, the main growth is expected to be the advanced packaging, both in inspection as well as in metrology. The CMOS image sensor in 2020 accounted for about 30% of our business. This is unusually high and was a result of healthy demand for our customers. In 2021, we expect the CIS segment to be more in line with previous year share of about 10 to 15% of our revenue. In the DRAM space, we see a lot of activity. However, we believe that it will be more at the end of the year or beginning of next year before we see meaningful business.

10:53 As previously announced, we continue to gain momentum in the front-end market. The penetration process specifically in the front-end segment is after a very long and meticulous evaluation. We have penetrated several new customers in 2020 and we expect to continue with that in 2021. For 2021, we expect this segment to account for more than 10% of our business. In 2020, we met an important milestone by receiving qualification for our system and order for production lines from one of the world's top integrated circuit manufacturers.

11:42 Our systems have been implemented in the customer's development and production sites globally. We continue our development effort on several levels, developing special features upon customer request to support ongoing sales, constantly improving the detection engines, and continuing the development of new generations of systems and solutions based on key customer input and industry roadmap. We plan to launch new products to the market this year. We have managed to operate optimally under the COVID-19 circumstances, but we cannot fully predict the global implications of the epidemic and its potential impact on our business.

12:36 As things stand today, 2021 is going to be a record year in sales and growth, along with improved profitability. During U4 of last year, we have raised about $64 million to support our growth strategy beyond organic growth. We are continuing our efforts to find companies that are suitable for acquisitions. We are especially interested in companies whose products serve market-like hours and will be able to use our sales and support infrastructures. Before I hand over to Moshe for more details on a financial result, I would especially like to thank our employees for their dedicated work during these challenging times. Moshe?

14:38 Thank you Rafi. We are sorry for the technical glitch that we have and I will stop now. Thank you Rafi. We had record results in the fourth quarter, both in terms of revenue, which also came above our guidance, as well as in terms of our gross and net profit levels. In my financial summary ahead, I will provide the results on a non-GAAP basis. The reconciliation between the GAAP results and the non-GAAP results appear in the tables at the end of the press release issued earlier today.

15:27 Fourth quarter revenues came at $48.6 million, a 46% increase over the $33.2 million recorded in the fourth quarter of 2019. Fully revenues were a record $155.9 million, up 16% year-over-year. The results were driven by demand across all our geographies, segments, and applications. The geographic revenue split for the quarter was as follows. Asia, 83%, and the rest of the world, 17%. The distribution of sales for the full year was 89%, Asia, with US and Europe contributing 11%.

16:12 Gross profit for the quarter was $23.4 million. The gross margin for the quarter was 48.2% versus 48% in the fourth quarter of last year. Gross profit for the year was $73.7 million, representing a gross margin of 47.3% This is compared with a gross margin of 48.6% last year. After relatively lower gross margin in the first half of 2020, in the second half of the year, we saw an improved margin. We expect over $110 million in the first half of 2021. The combination of favorable order links and the leverage we have in our operating model is expected to support the continued improvement in our gross margin, which will come above 50% in the first half of 2021.

17:11 Operating expenses in the quarter were 14.2 million dollars. This is compared with $10.5 million in the fourth quarter of last year and to the $11.9 million reported in the previous quarter. The increase over the previous quarter is mostly due to increased R&D and sales and marketing activities to support the growth in revenue. Operating profit in the quarter was $9.2 million compared to $5.4 million reported in the fourth quarter of last year. Operating margin was 18.9% compared to 16.3% mostly due to increased revenue. Operating profit for the year was $26.8 million or 17.2% of revenue. This is compared to operating profit of $25 million in 2019 or 18.7% of revenue.

18:08 I would like to briefly discuss the significant impact of the devaluation of the U.S. dollar in general and specifically against the Israeli shekel. As an Israeli-based company, a significant portion of our expenses in Israel, mainly salaries, are paid in shekels and as a result of the devaluation have increased in dollar terms during 2020. Despite the negative impact, we managed to improve our profitability. One positive impact of the devaluation was the relatively lower tax expenses in Israel in the fourth quarter due to the devaluation of the dollar-based assets. Net income for the fourth quarter of 2020 was $8.8 million, or 21% per diluted share.

19:00 This is compared to a net income of $5.4 million or $0.14 per share in the fourth quarter of last year. Net income for the year was $26 million or $0.64 per diluted share. This is compared to a net income of $23.9 million or $0.62 per share in 2019. During the fourth quarter, we completed a public offering in which we raised approximately $64 million, and we have issued 4.025 million new shares, which affected the EPS in the fourth quarter and the year 2020. In addition to the cash we raised in the public offerings, we also generated $8.3 million in cash from operating activities in the quarter.

19:54 Net cash and cash equivalents and short-term deposits as of December 31, 2020 increased to $177.8 million, compared with $106 million at the end of the third quarter of 2020. During 2020, we generated $25.8 million in cash from operations. Certain balance sheet items, such as inventory, accounts receivables, and payables levels significantly increased due to the higher business volume and the expectation for further growth in 2021. As Rafi mentioned earlier, we expect revenues in the first quarter of 2021 to be between 54 and 56 million dollars.

20:45 We have a strong sales forecast for the first half of the year and anticipate over 110 million dollars in this period. And with that, Rafi, Ramy and myself will be open to take your questions. Kenny? Thank you, Moshe. At this time, we will begin the question and answer session. If you have a question, please click on the raise hand icon on the toolbar at the bottom of the screen. I'll introduce you and ask you to unmute, after which you may ask your question. If you wish to submit a question via the Q&A chat, you may also do so, and we will endeavour to answer those questions as many as possible after we conclude the live Q&A session.

21:31 As we have a lot of people on the call, I will now take a few moments to poll for your questions. So if you do have a question, please click on raise hand. Our first question will be from Patrick Ho from Stifel. Patrick, please go ahead. Patrick? Patrick, you're on mute. Now you're open. Great. Thank you again and congratulations on the really nice quarter of the year. Maybe first off, given the rise in system orders over the next two quarters and given some constraints in the industry overall, how do you see your parts procurement and your ability to procure parts given the tight supply environment that we're seeing today?

22:37 Ramy, do you want to answer, please? Patrick, can you hear me? Yes. Okay, so I missed the first part of your question, but I will relate to the second part, and then if I miss anything, then please ask again. So from a part peculiar and overall our supply chain, We are very well organized. We have the inventory on hand for the next quarter. We have not experienced any issues related to procurement. Furthermore, we've increased the number of subcontractors, so we don't see any issues with that respect.

23:30 We believe that we will be able to supply and install all the machines in time. Great. And maybe as my follow-up question for Moshe, in terms of gross margins, really strong gross margins to end the year, and it continues to rise as we go into the first half of 21. What are the biggest influences? Is it simply volume, or are your new products also going to contribute to the gross margin uptick that we're going to see in the first half of 21? So I would say that both volume as well as new products and some new orders that came in with a high gross margin will be contributing to the improved margin in the first half of 2021.

24:27 Definitely the new product that we are rolling out will have a meaningful impact on the profitability. Great, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question will be from Charles Shi from Needham. Charles, we'll unmute you. Please go ahead. Hey, can you guys hear me? Sure. Yeah. Great. Great. Thanks for taking my question. Congrats on the strong quarter and very bullish first half guidance. I have a few questions. First off, I noticed that your guidance for the first half, that revenue run rate is already above your 200 million target model that you think you're going to achieve in about the two years. I wonder whether the strong demand in the near term really changed your view about the timing of your 200 million target model there.

25:37 First of all, yes, indeed, in the first half of 2021, we are already in a run rate of our target model of around $200 million. It's still early for us to provide a specific outlook for the second part of the year, although, as Rafi mentioned, Q3 is also looking good at this point, but we don't have specific guidance for Q3. But as I mentioned, we are already in a run rate of close to our target model. And as a result, we managed to improve the gross margin and gross margin will be more than 50% as indicated in our target model.

26:30 Okay, so maybe this is a very good segue into my question about the gross margin. You mentioned a few of the favorable factors, including the more complex systems, higher ASPs, especially for your 2D inspection products. May I ask whether the other two factors I'm thinking are also contributing? First, do you see a mix changing back to a little bit more 3D for your overall shipment in the first half of 2021, which essentially carries higher margin, if I understand correctly? and the second, whether the depreciating US dollars also has a positive impact on your gross margin.

27:25 Let's touch the first half of your question. We definitely see in the mix of the products that we're going to ship in the first half of 2021, and definitely throughout 2021, we see a mix with a lot more metrology equipment. This is definitely going to contribute positively to our gross margins and overall profitability. With respect to the devaluation of the US dollar and its impact on the financial results, as I said, in general, The devaluation has a negative impact on our results.

28:10 So the gross margin, if at all, will be impacted negatively. Taking that into account, if the dollar will stay pretty much at the current level, we forecast a gross margin of over 50% in the first half of the year. Got it, thank you. Maybe my next question, I would like to ask a little bit more about the CMOS image sensor. Last year was unusually strong for you guys, nearly 30% of the revenue, and you've said that the overall contribution as a percentage to the revenue will go down.

28:56 I wonder our dollar Are you seeing a growth here for CMOS image sensor revenue or do you see a more relatively flat, any color would be great? So let me relate to that. First of all, the CMOS image sensors, and I think as Rafi indicated, it was very strong this year. And it was mainly from two reasons. First of all, very strong demand. across from most of our customers. And I think specifically, we can say that we gained market share at least in two major accounts. So this accounted, I would say, to a very strong year compared with our previous percentage of the business.

29:44 We still see this segment strong. but it will be range of double digits. I would say 10 to 15% next year. It will not reach the kind of percentage it has reached this year. Got it, got it. Thank you very much. I'll go back to the queue. Thanks. Thank you, John. Thank you. Next question will be from Craig Ellis from B Reilly. Craig, please go ahead. Craig, you need to unmute yourself. Okay, in the In the meantime...

30:45 Craig, you will need to unmute yourself. I hope that... Okay, we'll come back to Craig afterwards. Our next question will be from Erwin Kraus. Erwin, please go ahead. Irvin? Okay. Okay. We'll also have to come back to Irvin in a sec. We also have a question from Shachar Cohen.

31:33 Shachar? Good. Hi, guys. Can you hear me? Hi, Shachar. Hi, I'm just wondering the role of memory within your first half forecast. I assume that that is not including any memory. And if not, can you speak a little bit about your visibility into the memory in H2? Ramy? I think we mentioned it in this great rapid discussion. In general, we see a lot of activities in the memory space. We expect this business to become, we expect to see orders in the second half of this year or beginning of the following year.

32:24 There is no contribution to the business in the first half, and the forecast that we talked about of over $110 million in the first half does not include any management business. Okay, and my next question is, can you speak about your IDM win? Is that mainly impacting H1 or do you see this more prolonged impact on your business? You're talking about the IBM that we mentioned. Yes, exactly. This is definitely a very significant business in the long term.

33:11 However, and I think we mentioned it, that we already have received, I would say, multiple orders. for several global sites that have all those machines partly have been installed and others will be installed in the first quarter. So definitely it's a meaningful business in the first half of next year, of this year, 21, and it will definitely be in the long term a very significant business. Rafi, do you want to add anything? Yeah, I would say in general, when we mention the... the key IDM worldwide, you know, they're a good reason. They're not too many, what we call the key IDM.

33:59 And when we talk about a new packaging technology, new advanced packaging technology, then usually these specific IDMs, they actually develop these technologies and probably they will be the first to move to high volume and we believe that this process maybe will start next year and it will accelerate in the next coming years. So we see a huge potential of inspection and metrology to this type of new packaging technologies. Thanks. Okay. Shachar, I hope that answers your questions.

34:47 We'll now move over to Irvin Krauss. Irvin, please go ahead. Yes, do you hear me? Yes, we do. Okay. In 2017, 2018, and 2019, you provided dividends to your investors. Is there any reason why there were no dividends given to investors in 2020? We haven't decided yet. Oh, you haven't decided. Okay, another question. Do you expect to increase your business in China and Taiwan in view of the world situation there?

35:33 Why do you put together China and Taiwan, by the way? Why do I put it together? I thought there was some sort of connection because of the difficulties that are going on there. Yeah, but I don't think that Taiwan, I think, okay, the way how we look it, if you talk about the conflict between U.S., so it's U.S. and China. If you look at the overall Asia, I would say it's Southeast Asia, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, they are out of this conflict. So in general, I think that it's not under one package. It's a totally different situation. We don't see any limitation in Taiwan. and probably there are some different environment in China because of the conflict with the US. So it is not the same.

36:24 So you expect, so there wouldn't be a conflict as far as increasing business for both countries, is that right? Correct. Okay, and as well as those two countries, do you also expect to increase your business in Europe and the United States? Look, in general, I think that, you know, if you look on the last few years, we can see that most of our system are towards to Asia, about almost 90%. In the first quarter, We see more from US and Europe. But if we talk about yearly overview, I would say that the trend of over 90% goes to Asia is more reasonable.

37:14 Oh, I see. Do you expect to increase more business in Israel and in the friendly Arab countries in the Middle East? Look, our business is where the semiconductor built fab. So in Israel, actually we have today, you know, Intel is a pure front end fab. We don't do any packaging in Israel. So we don't see any potential selling machine in Israel. And as well as most of the Arab country, we don't see any packaging industry in these countries. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Erwin. We will now move on to Craig Ellis from B. Reilly.

38:02 Craig, I hope you can... No, no, we have two questions. Okay. Well, let's see if Craig's on the line. Craig, are you there? Okay. I guess we have a technical problem with hearing you, Craig, but we got a list of questions and we will address them. So let's start with the first one. and with the profile of the $25 million business that we mentioned in the screen. So I would say, if I want to give a profile, about 60% of this business is from several customers in the advanced packaging area for several applications. So it's not a specific application, but really the whole breadth of applications that we address in the advanced packaging I would say close to 20% is CMOS image sensors and the rest I would say are general 2D.

39:02 Looking forward, this is more or less the trend of the business or I would say the percentage of the business that we see looking forward also into the first quarter. The CMOS image sensors definitely will be less in dollar volume next year compared to just the year that we completed. I would say that the main growth would come in the advanced packaging. We would see it coming over the 50% if we saw this year. It would be more in the range of 60 plus percent of the business. So looking forward, this is really the area where we see the major growth. So our next question from Craig is, while CIS revenue mix is declining, would revenue dollars...

40:04 There was a question about our M&A activity. And as we said in the beginning of the call, we are very active in this front. We are working in trying to put together a funnel and go walk through this funnel. Having said that, it's not something immediate, and I would say that we will provide an update on each call on the progress, but at this point there is nothing to report other than the fact that we are starting the process, or we have started the process. Moshe, I would like to add that people should remember that we still suffer of the COVID-19. We cannot travel. In many countries, the borders are closed.

41:04 Even from Israel, you cannot fly today. So all the activity of M&A is very limited. We can make surveys, we can evaluate, but Eventually we have to meet, we have to find, you have to drill down. So this cannot be done without visiting the potential companies. One last question, Craig, that we received from you was related to the OPEX level next year. So overall, we expect the GNA to stay pretty stable next year. Most of the growth, the increase in the operating expenses level will come from the sales and marketing where we use, in certain places of the world, third parties like agents to help us as a sales channel and as a function of the growth in the revenue We will use more agents, so this is the area that we expect an increase in. Also, we will beef up somewhat the R&D activities next year in order to support the growth. And as Rafi mentioned, we also planning to launch a new product, so this will require more R&D resources.

42:47 If anybody has any additional questions, please either raise your hands or you may also ask in the question and answer box. So you have an additional question from Patrick Ko of Stifel. Patrick, please go ahead. Thank you very much for the follow-up question. You talked about advanced packaging being the growth driver for 2021, which makes a lot of sense. And we've seen a lot of fan-out applications, particularly for the 5G marketplace. What other applications or what other market growth areas do you see? Do you see high-performance computing and some of the new techniques out there also gaining adoption in 2021 that will help your business?

43:37 Ramy, do you want to answer? Yeah. So I would say that there are two additional areas. No doubt, turnout is growing. It will grow in the rate of about 30%. I mean, it's definitely a big growth area. We see two more areas. The first one is obviously what you call the high performance computing or the heterogeneous integration. That's definitely an area that is picking up. You see the servers market and all of these markets adopting these technologies. and it's definitely an area that we are seeing increased business. The other part, the overall, and this is where we see in the longer term, obviously it's the high-vent memory. So this is also using advanced packaging. This area is growing and as we've said, we expect there to see business in the latter part of the year or in the following year.

44:35 Now, I would like to add one more comment about, you know, the wire bonding is still, you know, still very common. It's not disappeared yet. But we still see that more and more customers shift. to what we call a flip chip BGA, more higher density and the pitch is becoming smaller and they use a copper pillar in order to make the connections. So we can see even, I would say, more flip chip demand for doing this. So the advanced packaging actually is a wide range of applications.

45:26 Great, thank you. We now have a follow-up question from Charles Shi from Needham. Charles, please go ahead. Hi, thanks for taking my follow up. Just really following up on Patrick's question on advanced packaging, definitely you guys still seeing technology upgrades or transitions from wire bound to flip chip, copper pillar, or fan out HBM. I wonder, in your very strong first half guidance, especially for the advanced packaging part, How do you quantify how much of that strength is driven by the technology upgrades of the advanced packaging or how much of that is really driven by the natural unit demand growth?

46:25 We've seen news about automotive seeing shortages and the ESC has been saying that they still see that the capacity are constrained through the year. I wonder if you can try to help us tell the differences here. What's really driving your demand? Ramy, do you want to answer? Yeah. I think what's driving the demand are the applications. And first of all, it's the 5G phones. I mean, you're talking about 500 million 5G phones. And those phones are using a lot more advanced packaging then the 4G phones. So that I would say is the biggest application out there.

47:13 Then I would say after that, as I mentioned before, you see the high performance computing, which is utilizing a lot more advanced packaging than before. I think these are two major drivers. And then all the applications of the phenol. What's making the phenol even stronger nowadays is the shortage in substrates. And as you know, Penalty does not require any sub-trades, and this further enhances the demand. So I would say these three trends are the reason for seeing a lot more demand on the advanced packaging. Now, furthermore, Rafi mentioned the wire boom. Wire bonding is coming down.

48:02 The advanced packaging in general is going by about 8% a year annually. And this means that I would say in general, you'll see less and less wire bonding. And the reason for less and less wire bonding, it's a process. It's something that will take a few years. But the reason that it's coming down is primarily the bandwidth and the power consumption. and in order to meet the requirements for mobile phones or the power requirements, there is no other way but just to move from wire bonding to advanced packaging. And I think we'll see this trend over the next five to 10 years where wire bonding will just, I would say, go down or finally disappear.

48:49 But that's a trend that will take a few more years that in parallel are the trends that are moving fast that are primarily the heterogeneous integration, the high bandwidth memory, and the fan-out applications that are growing very fast. I would say this will give you a short explanation of the market characteristics. Thank you. Okay, thanks. Thanks, Charles. Our next question is a follow up question from Shahar Cohen. Shahar, please go ahead. Yeah, thank you, guys. One follow up competition. We have seen one of your key competitor in the past, you know, announced Tepid forecast for the coming year. Can you speak about, you know, market share dynamics?

49:40 Where do you think you take market share and which kind of segments or customers? and to what extent do you believe that will continue this year? Thank you. No, you know, actually there are few players. Maybe most of you are not familiar with local player. There are Japanese player, one US company player. So there are more than one and I cannot mention any specifically gaining market share from specific vendor. I assume that it, by the way, it's happened to us as well.

50:25 that some low-end application we prefer not compete because maybe the lower ASP. So we said, okay, we are not there. And we try to select the most complex and the most high-end application as we can. The same, I believe, that some competitors prefer maybe to go and to put more focus on the front end rather than to go to other applications. So the market is not stable yet, but we definitely can say that in some, I would say, high-end applications, eventually customers prefer a leading company rather than a local company.

51:18 So it changed from territory to territory, from case to case. Okay, thanks. Okay, that ends our question and answer session. Before I hand over to Rafi, I would like to let you all know that in the coming hours, we will upload the recording of this conference call to the investor relations section of Camtech's website at www.camtech.com. I would also like to thank all of you for joining this call and we would appreciate any feedback you have with regard to this new format. And now I'd like to hand over to Rafi for his closing statement. Rafi, please go ahead. Okay, thank you, Kenny. I would like to thank you all for your continued interest in our business. Again, I would like to thank all of our employees and my management team for their tremendous performance in 2020 and we look forward to continuing it in 2021. To our investors, I thank you for long-term support.

52:25 I look forward to talking with you again next quarter. Thank you and goodbye.