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29:53 But what they didn't do is go back and reassess for base metal potential. And so we inherited all those data when we acquired that property. And we have a great opportunity to look at these data sets that were collected using modern methods and multi-element geochemistry. And instead of gold, target zinc, lead, silver, and all the pathfinders, barium, mercury, and arsenic, and all the things that we use to identify these kind of sediment-hosted massive salt bite systems, and go in and target some of these very early stage prospects. And from there, we've already identified a number of these anomalies. We can go out, do some prospecting, do some early stage geophysics.
30:43 For us, ground gravity is a very effective tool. That's what we found boundary west and drilled the discovery hole boundary. That was following up on a gravity anomaly combined with a geology and a soil geochemistry. And we can use these tools to define and act on drill targets within the 2024 drill season. Outside of that area of blue sky potential, there's a few targets that are ready to drill test. For example, at Endzone, We have a target that we've wanted to drill for the past few years. There's a lead in soil anomaly that's sitting up ice and uphill from the known mineralization at end zone, which we think is a very compelling target for discovering a sort of satellite zone to end zone or a new zone there potentially.
31:38 We also have another target near Jason, it's drill ready. And we have a target called Bog, which is right next to boundary zone. And that could even be included within boundary zone. It sits a little bit away from the area where we've been drilling so far. So we have some drill rating targets, and I think that we're well set up and well positioned and experienced to generate a lot more of those in 2024 and potentially act on those by the end of the season. How does the scale of the lateral extent of the main fault here, and, you know, the distance between Tom and boundary, how does that compare to the major districts like Howard's Pass and Faro and what have you?
32:30 Yeah, so in terms of the scale of the controlling fault, like this is a crustal scale fault. It's a very large fault system. And that's a good thing in these systems. You want to be able to tap deep into these basins and provide a pathway for these fluids to come up and interact with the reactive host rocks, which in our case is barite, at time adjacent, could also be carbonate, where these things get replaced in the subsurface. So you need a big enough fault to generate those fluid pathways that you need to be sufficiently large to form large deposits. In terms of the spacing, between Tom and Jason, that's 5 kilometers. Between Jason and end zone, that's another 5 kilometers.
33:18 And between end zone and boundary, that's 12 kilometers. So it's about, you know, these things tend to occur in multiples of about 5 kilometers spacing. And that's very true at Howard's Pass, it's true in the Anvil districts, they have, you know, Van Gorder, Grizzly, Dye, Swim and Faro that are all spaced by almost exactly 5 kilometers. And we think this is something to do with the spacing in which large fractures occur due to the sort of thickness of the crust at these levels, and could be where cross faults intersects this main structure that forms the trend. So these would be at right angles to this, so the northeast-southwest intersecting faults. And where you have those 2 faults intersecting, you form a great area in terms of where the fluids can come up. And if you have the right host rocks there, then you have the potential to form large deposits.
34:24 So we have this curious area between end zone and boundary zone where it's a multiple of 5 kilometers. And there's always been this question of, is there something halfway between those 2 known prospects? And both of those, by the way, will be included in our resource update. And we have some indications in the soil geochemistry, a few sort of subtle geophysical indications that there's something anomalous going in there. And in 2024, we'll go in and do that work to let us assess those more fully and get those to a drill ready stage. But yeah, about sort of 5 kilometers or multiples of those is typically what you see in these kinds of systems.
35:19 Then maybe as a follow-up question to that, Jack, it's evident that there's plenty of areas that we could potentially drill. But how are we going to—I think Brandon has mentioned this repeatedly. This is kind of a triage exercise where we have so many different targets and we need to, you know, prioritize which ones to target. And so how are you planning, and this may be a question for both Jack and Brandon – how are we planning to allocate the drill meters between, you know, exploration, like, generation – generative drilling versus infield drilling at zones that we already know, and how are we balancing these?
36:11 Yeah, that's a good question. And each year when we approach the expiration, we go through this very rigorous targeting exercise of saying, what do we think the value, the potential value that we could add by drilling more meters at boundary zone, adjacent, at end zone, and known deposits or prospects? And we come up with a very rigorous way of ranking those targets and identifying those areas of opportunity where we see we could add the most potential value. The early stage of exploration, I think, is a different, something quite different entirely. Very difficult to estimate what you think the value of that could be.
36:58 You know, finding another Tom or another Jason or another boundary zone has potential to add tremendous value. It's obviously a more difficult thing to do, a sort of higher risk prospect. So in order to support those, we develop a targeting matrix and we assess, what do we know about the geology? What do we know about the geology? What do you know about the geochemistry? The geophysics? Is the gravity good? Is the EM and the mag consistent with targets of what we'd expect in these areas? And that's actually what we're going through right now. This week is going through some of these targeting exercises and figuring out which ones are our best targets and where we should allocate those meters.
37:45 And perhaps Brandon can talk about how we might attribute that in the overall program to each of those areas. Yeah, because you have to make decisions with imperfect information and ultimately decide what the balance is going to be struck between expanding the known zones where I you know in many cases we have nearly a hundred percent conviction that a hole will hit and I mean as evidenced by the fact that our step outs at Tom Jason and Boundary this year, 100% of them hit. So how do you balance that? I think we recognize that generative exploration is a different thing to undergo and it has to be equally important.
38:41 If we want to continue to demonstrate the district thesis here, finding another deposit would be extremely meaningful, even outside of the actual economic impact of that. The conceptual impact of that is actually much higher than the economic impact. So that's part of what we figured after the last couple of years. Really, since 2020, we've been quite heads down on boundary zone. And I think it's time to, And it's not that we've hit the edges of boundary zone yet, but it's time to kind of maybe look up and take a look around and do some generative work to identify some targets, firm up some existing targets, and test some existing targets.
39:28 Understanding that's a multi-year exercise, right? And I talked a little bit about budgeting, how it can be hand to mouth as a junior. Well, news flow is often a little hand to mouth as well. Like, it's tough to engage in things that don't bear fruit the year you do them, right? Because we have an extremely impatient market in the junior mining world. People want to, if you haven't done something transformative every 6 months, they're like goldfish, they've forgotten all about you and moved on to the next thing. So investing in these multi-year strategies is a commitment and a risk, but we think it's the important thing. You know, I take for example, put a couple holes in Kobuk this year, which was a good target and it was drill ready, did not hit what we were hoping to hit.
40:19 But we understand that the Cobox not dead, the first intersections into boundary were, I mean, almost all the intersections in boundary by the time we got it were modest, right? So it takes some time to kind of firm up targets, drill them, what do you learn from the drilling, refine your target, you know, drill test again, etc., right? So you don't want to repeatedly drill something that's not giving you anything. But I think you have to understand that not every target is the first hole gonna be a winner. So yeah, like that's broadly where our head's at. I think there will be more generative work this year than in past years, for sure.
41:09 And so just following the topic here, how does GANA, For instance, there's a question here in the chat room. How does GANA River fit into the targeting matrix and trade-offs related to the MacPass exploration targets? Well, I think Jack can say. Go ahead, Jack. I mean, really, I was just gonna say that GANA is really quite a different beast from Magpas and just to sort of step back, Ghana's 200 kilometers north of the area we're looking at on the screen right now in NWT. And it's very different geology there and very unique geology that really only occurs in 2 places known on Earth. One is at Gainer River, and the other is at the Kapushi mine in DRC.
42:01 And what's going on there is that we have these reefs, these stromatolite reefs. And this idea that this might be similar to Cappuccino came about in 2018. And we staked and acquired the property in 2022 based on this new idea. And this new idea sort of opened up the search space within the area to test this in the exploration environment. It's very different to MacPass. It has a sort of different risk profile. It is very early stage. But the potential reward there, I think, is very high. These CUSHI systems tend to be extremely high grade.
42:48 So even a modest size discovery there could really be quite significant. Yeah, and I think it's important to understand that the challenge with gain is that with a high degree of certainty, I believe we'll hit something, right? But the threshold for success there is very high, right, very high, given how remote it is. I mean, Rio Tinto sunk 27,000 meters of drilling into Gena. And Jack, I don't know if you know offhand, like what are some of the best intersections they hit? Like they weren't, the reason. Yeah, they hit some okay stuff over very short intervals, but what they were looking for there are these blanket type deposits that are very different from the vertical massive sulfide targets that we'd be looking for on the margins of these reefs.
43:41 And at surface some of these things are quite spectacular in terms of the zinc and lead mineralizations that's exposed at the showings. And really it's scaling up the thesis of how we found massive sulfide in boulders at Gainer and trying to find that on the scale of something that we could turn into a deposit? Yeah, so I think it's, you know, Gainer is part of our, you know, it's gonna be one of the targets we evaluate for 2024. You know, it has to be considered in the context of being a more difficult place to have success than MacPass, although not appreciably much more expensive than MacPass, actually, because the drilling is so much faster there in terms of testing the targets.
44:34 And then we have to give, and then there's no right answer because we don't know how the market will react to a discovery at Gana versus a discovery at MacPass. And I can't tell you which one is gonna be more rewarding for the company, right? So we don't, you know, we have to kind of figure that out and decide whether it makes the cut or not. And I would note, there's a question here I can ask, and someone's asked whether we're aiming to convert some of the resource into indicated for 2024. The answer is kind of. Like I think we're still mostly focused on resource expansion. However, I think it's quite likely there are going to be some targeted infill in areas where the resource is most uncertain and most valuable.
45:26 So if we were putting our hat on and trying to decide where are the risks with this resource? What would a partner or acquirer want to see? Where would give them heartburn if they were going to pay a significant sum for the company or project? What parts of the resource would give them heartburn, and maybe some selected infill there. We're not ready yet to engage in the comprehensive infill drilling to methodically convert the early years of the mine life to Indicator. Which related to that in terms of the conversion to indicator and plans, I think there's some questions around both what projects more advanced and what do we kind of think our timelines at. MAC passes is what I would consider advanced expiration.
46:35 I mean, some parts of it are early expiration, really the generative targets. Slash earlier pre development. Right, we are doing the baseline. To work towards environmental assessment and permitting. But we haven't delineated the edges of the system, so it's hard to submit a permit yet when you really don't know the disturbance area that you might be looking at for a mine plan. So we're not ready to really engage in permitting for MACPASS yet. MACTUNG is different. MACTUNG has been through the environmental assessment. It's had a positive recommendation to proceed. We feel pretty comfortable about being able to rely on that environmental assessment, which means that all we have to do is get final licensing done.
47:20 No, by virtue of the fact the past owner went bankrupt, there's a gap in the baseline. We're plugging that gap now. We need a couple of years of water, wildlife, et cetera, monitoring to get into the final permitting process. But I think it's quite possible that we break ground on that in 3 or 4 years, subject to a lot of things. But that's, I would say, quite near term. So that's part of the reason, again, MacTongue doesn't need a lot of drilling for indicated or much at all, It is a dominantly indicated resource. There might be little bits of inferred that appear early in the mine plan that we might selectively infill, but for the most part there's minimal drilling to do there and the spend required to get the MAC tongue to get the Mac tongue to final investment decision is many, many quantums lower than Mac pass.
48:31 I have a couple of questions from not necessarily from this chat, but stuff that I've been seeing people ask lately. It's more corporate related. So you mentioned our cash balance of 17 million as of today. How are we planning to deploy that cash over the course of Q1? And this ties to another question, which is, when are we planning to do a financing? And what would be the quantum of that financing? What should we expect around that? Yeah, you know, we wanna drill quite a bit this year, right? We've got the new camp, we're set up for more people for an earlier start, for a later finish. We could do more than we did last year. We could do 25,000 maybe 30,000. I think Jack we'd figured what that that it got a little tricky trying to get more than about 32 or 35,000 but up to that is doable.
49:30 We got 22,000 last year while also building the new camp and having that camp not being able to be occupied Until end of July was it early August, right? I mean, so It's we do it's we'll have a little easier time doing more. We got drills on site for an early start, but there's no escaping that are all in cost for drilling is something around a thousand bucks a meter, I think, fully, fully loaded, Jack, is that about right? That's right, yeah, just over. Yeah, so, you know, it means if we wanna get 25,000 meters done, you're gonna need about 25 million bucks. I think the timing and size of a raise is really driven, you know, more by the deliverables on our end and how we feel about our upcoming catalysts and as well, driven sometimes by whether or not a major new shareholder wants to come in and what their timing is at. I think a key thing for us is that in contrast to the situation that a lot of our peers in the broader market is in, we don't have a financing risk.
50:47 We can make a financing happen. There's no risk that we can't do something. And I think as evidenced by our last 2 finances, we'll even go further back than that. Typically, 0% discount to maybe a 5% discount and no warrants. So these are not usurious financings where the new shareholders get this massive benefit, no substantial discount, no four-year warrants, or anything like that. So for us, I tell you, as a CEO, massive, massive, you know, reduction in stress when you know you can make that sort of thing happen. So, you know, no firm answers there.
51:34 But I think we might look to do something probably before summer, even though we still have 17 million bucks in the bank. But we're going to be a little strategic about how and when it happens. Yeah, and partly, I guess it's contingent on our share price right which thankfully has been performing better this year. You know we're all a little bit disappointed with you know our announcements being that incredible and not impacting share price that much. But what's your view on that, Brandon? What's your view on what do you think is driving? What do you think can actually, you know? Well, I think that you have to consider that liquidity across the venture is terrible, terrible. Right, so, you know, last year was one of the worst years for fundraising, also one of the worst years for for fundraising also one of the worst years for liquidity on the market, right? So what it means is is that if someone wants to sell and and selling is not always about disliking the company Unfortunately, sometimes when you're doing well that puts a target on your back because people look at their portfolio, they need to make their mortgage payment or they got to pay for their divorce or whatever and it's like what's green in my portfolio because it feels easier to crystallize a win than crystallize a loss.
53:03 This is a major psychological problem of trading and investing that everyone needs to give a think about it, but why we do that, right? Why we sell our winners and ride our losers, right? So when you're a winner, unfortunately, you get good news, people sell. Now I think we benefit from having it's not that many sellers right the really great hole we had recently we did have a little quite a bit of liquidity into that I happen to know exactly who that liquidity was, unfortunately. But without naming and shaming, they're done. And yeah, so the hope is that now onwards and upwards, right? So I think we're certainly well positioned to massively rewrite.
53:53 And based on your view, Brandon, what do you think were the key milestones hit lately that drove that positive momentum that we've been having lately? Yeah, look, I think it's engaging, you know, like you mean just this year, right? I think it's a new year. I think a fresh look, I think as we're getting close to these major catalysts. I think as typical, we're expecting a pretty big change in the resource. I think we'll trade very well leading up to that and I hope we trade very well after that as well. I hope we surprise the market as we did with the last one. That's pretty typical, right? You know, I think other great news, we'll have some more drill results coming.
54:43 You know, hopefully we have all sorts of other surprise news to come as well, right? There's always some kind of out of left field stuff that, you know, long lead time stuff that's happening in the background. You know, and people talk about government endorsement and stuff like that. We are engaged with various levels of Canadian government, American government, et cetera. All this stuff, unsurprisingly with government, takes a while. But I think those are maybe some of the biggest catalysts we can have is continued endorsement and investment from the government. Because as you begin to see that the government feels like a project's inevitable, that really gives confidence to the investment community that the government's got to wait behind something, that it's not going to get held up unduly in permitting, that it can get a permit.
55:41 Because you assume before the government invested significant money, they would have at least had some sense of whether a project's permittable, period. So I think that's another potential major catalyst that could come, and I can't promise anything soon or at all. It's just a, it happens on a government timeframe. Yeah, I mean, my view is that as long as we continue, you know, doing stuff and pushing forward, and thankfully we have the backing to do that, things will get, will improve, right? And as you say, there's a bunch of catalysts in the horizon.
56:28 There may be a few more beyond that this year. And so thankfully we have the ability to push forward with what we want and what we need. And my view is that markets will pick up. We will be probably one of the top picks among all of our peers. And hopefully we can, as you say, re-rate. Well, I think that's a major thing, right? That Fireweed's not trying to be a beta play, right? Like we constantly generate alpha. We work our ass off to generate alpha, right? But I think everyone investing in the junior mining space, you know, like long suffering uranium investors who are finally getting a bit of torque now, right? That we understand that we pick the best-in-class companies for the alpha, but also sometimes for the beta, for the thematic trade, right? So and I talked about this in my first slide, about that there is a very, very compelling thematic trade in mining from producers down to junior mining, probably more junior mining who are more beaten up and therefore have the more you know to move and and the best companies when that rising tide comes move first and they ultimately move the furthest I think this notion that you buy marginal
58:00 companies because they have the most leverage is silly because marginal companies get blown up and that just doesn't work out that way. You buy quality companies if you want to do that thematic trade. So I think That's a big thing, right? And I don't want to tell people that they should buy fireweed because it's a great part of a basket that you can do beta in, but it is a good part of a basket. And I think picking that basket is also about picking the ones that have the best alpha as well, which I think we can. So, you know, I think that's, to my mind, important part of the investment thesis. Let's see if we have any questions here.
58:53 Oh, there's a question from James. Has the UConn government started on any of the promised 71 million in road upgrades? And that was 2020, I believe. So yeah, so the RFP, the RFP for a bunch of that work went out late last year. So we're expecting the ceiling. Of the Robert Campbell to happen or at least start in this summer and engineering work and the commencement of bridge replacement on the canal to likely start this summer as well. They just start, it's supposed to start last summer, but it didn't happen. But that's the critical first step is that the RFP goes out to industry and we've got responses to it and the tender's been awarded, right? So that's a good first step.
59:45 Sure. We got 3 minutes left here. Do we answer all the questions? I think we did. There's a quick question Peter that I could answer there about the MacTongue strip ratio and removal of waste before exposing the mineralized material. And the section that I showed was an east-west section, but if you were to cut the north-south section through that same model, you'd see that those top layers actually come right to surface. And so it's not like there's going to be a huge pre-strip, and then we get into the mineralized zone. It will be right from surface.
1:00:31 And there's actually exploration potential beyond that, where we see it exposed in the cliffs of the mountain, just in the Northwest. And the resource was just cut off at an arbitrary distance from the last draw hole. But I think there's a lot of exploration potential between there and where we see mineralized sheet light in our crop. So there's a bit of potential to make MacTongue even bigger, not that we really even need to because it's already enormous. But We haven't done any cash flow scheduling because that was just a pit that we pulled to constrain and report the resource, but we will be doing that as part of the upcoming PEA. Yeah, and lastly, before we sign off here, and I just gonna say the people from 6, I can just wrap it up now.
1:01:19 You don't need to introduce me to wrap it up. But the last comment there from Neil's asking whether the Lundines will be part of financing onwards. Yes, and we're moving towards more formalizing that relationship with the Lundins and being tighter integrated with them. So I've described this as Lundin group adjacent before, but I think that's getting a little closer in the coming years and months or more months. You know, we feel pretty lucky that we have a good relationship with them, that they're backing us and that we're really, from their viewpoint, one of their companies. You know, which, to kind of sum things up is why I feel like we don't have that financing risk. It's not just that the Lundin's themselves can write the checks, it's that there's a lot of people that follow them in. They bring us an incredible amount of credibility when talking to everyone from retail investors. I've had a couple great visits to Sweden. I look to be back in spring this year for the Swedes on the line.
1:02:28 I'll do another presentation there. And you know it's built us from that retail crowd to small funds to large funds to major mining companies. It gives us audiences that were difficult to get before. So I think Fireweed has the right audience, we have the right news flow. We've had quite a bit of torque already. I think we expect to have quite a bit more. We hope that you sign up for our mailing list, keep following us on Twitter, etc. And we hope we can deliver not just some excellent results in 2024, which I dare say is a given at this point, that we will have some incredible results.
1:03:14 But I think it will also be game changing as well. So thank you very much, and thank you everyone for attending.